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Russ
3 Sep 2026
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    Russ
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    7 Sep 2026, 9:41 p.m. 7 Sep 2026, 9:41 p.m.
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    Re: Cunha, if all the football savants on here could see his quality last season (and I do remember a number saying so), then does Glasner get credit for anything other than playing him? And let's not try and make a case that it's somehow a case of good asset management given a) it seems to be coming at the cost of Milenkovic who is clearly less suited to playing as part of a three, and b) we bought him a very expensive centre half who can't get on the pitch.

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    Psychobel
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    7 Sep 2026, 9:43 p.m. 7 Sep 2026, 9:43 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    Re: Cunha, if all the football savants on here could see his quality last season (and I do remember a number saying so), then does Glasner get credit for anything other than playing him? And let's not try and make a case that it's somehow a case of good asset management given a) it seems to be coming at the cost of Milenkovic who is clearly less suited to playing as part of a three, and b) we bought him a very expensive centre half who can't get on the pitch.

    I dont think even you believes the case you're trying to make.

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    Russ
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    7 Sep 2026, 10:48 p.m. 7 Sep 2026, 10:48 p.m.
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    I'm not trying to make any case. I'm making the point, again, that whatever we are trying to do with Glasner it isn't maximization of our existing resources, and the whole "he makes players better" narrative is at best unproven.

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    chicago
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    8 Sep 2026, 1:15 a.m. 8 Sep 2026, 1:15 a.m.
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    "The ladder of Success is best climbed by stepping on the rings of opportunity. But what if the ladder is leaning against the wrong wall?"

    • Thomas Szasz.

    Chicago: Currently reading a Client's book.

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    tricky
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    8 Sep 2026, 8 a.m. 8 Sep 2026, 8 a.m.
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    With a tortured analogy like that, the fella should be on TalkBack. Or running it.

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    Russ
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    8 Sep 2026, 10:04 p.m. 8 Sep 2026, 10:04 p.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    For me, the goal being disallowed was almost certainly the right decision but the wrong process (not enough evidence to overturn the on field decision).

    It was in fact the correct process as per the Premier League rules, which have specific provision around this scenario (emphasis mine):

    Quoted message:

    In the Premier League, there will be a high bar for VAR intervention on subjective decisions.

    The decision of the referee, known as the “Referee’s Call”, will stand unless, in the opinion of the VAR, based upon the evidence readily available, that call is a clear-and-obvious error.

    If a clear-and-obvious error is identified by the VAR, for subjective decisions, after checking the attacking possession phase (APP) for any clear infringements by the attacking team, the VAR will advise the on-pitch referees to use the pitchside monitors (the Referee Review Area (RRA)) to review the incident and make a final decision.

    Factual on-field decisions in the four situations above will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test. These are:
    - factual offside
    - accidental handball by the goalscorer
    - if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area
    - the ball out of play
    - goalkeeper movement or encroachment of the penalty area at a spot-kick
    - mistaken identity

    www.premierleague.com/en/var

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    JimShady
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    8 Sep 2026, 10:06 p.m. 8 Sep 2026, 10:06 p.m.
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    You seem to be missing the "not enough evidence to overturn the on field decision" section of Simon's post and instead replying to someone making the "clear and obvious error" arguement, which I agree is spurious.

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    Jeff_Albertson
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    8 Sep 2026, 10:09 p.m. 8 Sep 2026, 10:09 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    You seem to be missing the "not enough evidence to overturn the on field decision" section of Simon's post and instead replying to someone making the "clear and obvious error" arguement, which I agree is spurious.

    I think you're missing the bits in bold in Russ's post.

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    8 Sep 2026, 10:12 p.m. 8 Sep 2026, 10:12 p.m.
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    But from the angles VAR had you couldn't say for certain it was handball accidental or otherwise.

    So you can bold what you like it's not a matter of fact that it is handball.

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    JimShady
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    8 Sep 2026, 10:12 p.m. 8 Sep 2026, 10:12 p.m.
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    @Jeff_Albertson has written:
    @JimShady has written:

    You seem to be missing the "not enough evidence to overturn the on field decision" section of Simon's post and instead replying to someone making the "clear and obvious error" arguement, which I agree is spurious.

    I think you're missing the bits in bold in Russ's post.

    I don't think I am.

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    Simon
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    9 Sep 2026, 5:51 a.m. 9 Sep 2026, 5:51 a.m.
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    @JimShady has written:
    @Jeff_Albertson has written:
    @JimShady has written:

    You seem to be missing the "not enough evidence to overturn the on field decision" section of Simon's post and instead replying to someone making the "clear and obvious error" arguement, which I agree is spurious.

    I think you're missing the bits in bold in Russ's post.

    I don't think I am.

    Exactly. The point is, from the angles available to the VAR, he couldn’t determine factually that the ball hit Neco’s arm. Just because it’s been determined subsequently, by other angles, that it did, doesn’t change that.

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    Russ
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    16 Sep 2026, 4:51 p.m. 16 Sep 2026, 4:51 p.m.
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    Key Match Incidents Panel universally found that a) it was handball and b) VAR was correct to intervene and rule it out.

    www.premierleague.com/en/news/4719837/premier-league-match-round-3-key-match-incidents-panel-outcomes

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    Lessred
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    16 Sep 2026, 4:55 p.m. 16 Sep 2026, 4:55 p.m.
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    Have they confirmed your view that Glasner is a shit Forest manager too?

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    16 Sep 2026, 4:58 p.m. 16 Sep 2026, 4:58 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    Key Match Incidents Panel universally found that a) it was handball and b) VAR was correct to intervene and rule it out.

    www.premierleague.com/en/news/4719837/premier-league-match-round-3-key-match-incidents-panel-outcomes

    Is there a video anywhere of the VAR footage that clearly shows the handball?

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    JimShady
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    16 Sep 2026, 5 p.m. 16 Sep 2026, 5 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    Key Match Incidents Panel universally found that a) it was handball and b) VAR was correct to intervene and rule it out.

    www.premierleague.com/en/news/4719837/premier-league-match-round-3-key-match-incidents-panel-outcomes

    Note that they are ruling on the outcome, not the procedure by which it was arrived at.

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    JimShady
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    16 Sep 2026, 5:01 p.m. 16 Sep 2026, 5:01 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:
    @Russ has written:

    Key Match Incidents Panel universally found that a) it was handball and b) VAR was correct to intervene and rule it out.

    www.premierleague.com/en/news/4719837/premier-league-match-round-3-key-match-incidents-panel-outcomes

    Is there a video anywhere of the VAR footage that clearly shows the handball?

    There is ... But it wasn't available to the VAR guys at the time.

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