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tricky
25 Apr 2023
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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2773 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 10:20 a.m. 22 Jun 2026, 10:20 a.m.
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    So still losing 2-0 every week but that is better than getting Farage in as manager and losing 5-0.

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    Simon
    Squad 8106 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 10:26 a.m. 22 Jun 2026, 10:26 a.m.
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    Everyone keeps blathering on about the 7 prime ministers in the 10 years since the Brexit vote but we'll keep cycling through them until someone can get elected while telling the truth and I don't think the British public are ready for that (or when/if they will be).

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    tricky
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    22 Jun 2026, 10:37 a.m. 22 Jun 2026, 10:37 a.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    Everyone keeps blathering on about the 7 prime ministers in the 10 years since the Brexit vote but we'll keep cycling through them until someone can get elected while telling the truth and I don't think the British public are ready for that (or when/if they will be).

    I think this is good analysis. So the choice is someone who avoids telling the electorate the uncomfortable truths, or those who fully embrace the lying shizzle as a way to exploit.

    There is a bias to shove the the lying shizzle on us, for obvious reasons.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2773 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 10:55 a.m. 22 Jun 2026, 10:55 a.m.
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    4 managers in a season worked ok. We need to change PM more often not less.

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    Sean
    Squad 2429 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 11:24 a.m. 22 Jun 2026, 11:24 a.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    4 managers in a season worked ok. We need to change PM more often not less.

    That kind of depends on how you view the objective though.

    ie 'pushing on' to become an established European / global contender or just about scraping by at the top table domestically without going under.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2773 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 12:03 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 12:03 p.m.
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    On both football and country wouldn't we settle for drama free mid table with the occasional cup run/foray into Europe every now and then?

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    Loafer
    Squad 681 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 12:55 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 12:55 p.m.
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    I sort of feel that is what we had with Starmer tbh, but on we go.

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    Ingo
    Squad 3155 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 1:09 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 1:09 p.m.
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    Manchester is apparently fantastic so everything will be just fine.

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    Psychobel
    Squad 1185 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 2:57 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 2:57 p.m.
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    @Ingo has written:

    Manchester is apparently fantastic so everything will be just fine.

    Genuinely has been an excellent place to live and build a business from fuck all.
    Fuck the football clubs obvs.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2773 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 3:29 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 3:29 p.m.
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    How transferable is that to running a whole country? My guess is not that well, but we will find out.

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    Seven
    Squad 1994 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 4:02 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 4:02 p.m.
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    Surely it’s only positive to have someone with a track record in delivering services and governance.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2773 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 5:04 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 5:04 p.m.
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    Maybe, just not quite the spotlight as a mayor. The financial markets are already making noise about what he might do and who his Chancellor might be. Don't honk he had that backdrop to mayoral decisions.

    But I'm not at all familiar with what he did that was so great in Manchester (compared to say Khan in London)?

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    Psychobel
    Squad 1185 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 5:21 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 5:21 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    How transferable is that to running a whole country? My guess is not that well, but we will find out.

    So you want someone who has previously been a Prime Minister to do it? I believe Truss is free.

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    zippygotsillyagain
    Squad 234 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 5:23 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 5:23 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    On both football and country wouldn't we settle for drama free mid table with the occasional cup run/foray into Europe every now and then?

    No, I want 24 hour rolling news coverage of what train carriage Burnham is travelling on, whether he got out of his seat to go to the toilet and the implications for European trade negotiations depending on if he did a number 1 or 2.

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    Charlie
    Squad 2248 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 5:26 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 5:26 p.m.
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    There's a real problem with the amount of power that bond traders have over the economies of countries, isn't there? I know Burnham talked about this a while ago but has since had to back pedal.

    Can someone knowledgeable about this explain how and why it's now such a big issue compared to the past? And also how countries like ours can take back some control?

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    Simon
    Squad 8106 posts
    22 Jun 2026, 5:33 p.m. 22 Jun 2026, 5:33 p.m.
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    @Charlie has written:

    There's a real problem with the amount of power that bond traders have over the economies of countries, isn't there? I know Burnham talked about this a while ago but has since had to back pedal.

    Can someone knowledgeable about this explain how and why it's now such a big issue compared to the past? And also how countries like ours can take back some control?

    We borrow shitloads more now than we have done in the recent past. (Government debt as a percentage of GDP is about where it was at the start of the 60s ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-data-item/uk-public-sector-net-debt-1700 .) If you want to borrow more and more, you are choosing to give power to the people you want to borrow off of.

    You want to take back control? Whack up taxes or spend less (or both).

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