• 8 Jan 2025, 8:20 p.m.

    ... What you hear when Angie Post-a-kagoule says "I always win something in my second year".

    It's really getting on my tits that some people seem to hear "I'm going to win a trophy for Tottenham this season". Which obviously he couldn't know, based on other people trying and there being no known certainty. But perhaps more importantly because he has never said that.

    Why do people think he has?

    I mean he could be referring to a historical record with trophies, that may be true. Which may or may not cease to still be true after this season. He might have been talking about 'a game', or possibly feels that he's won something by getting a second season in the jobs he's had. I don't know.

    What I do know is that he definitely doesn't mean the thing that he hasn't said, and couldn't possibly know.

    So why do so many people think that's what he means?

    Could also go in 'what I spend too long thinking about'.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:02 p.m.

    Usually in my second season I win things is what he said which he then went on to say I'll corr ct myself I don't usually win things I always won things on my second year.

    And then talked about how he absolutely felt Spurs could challenge for silverware this year.

    He always has won a trophy in year 2 at each club he's managed to date.

    He's a stereotypical cocky, arrogant Aussie

    Taking all that together I think hia meaning is pretty clear. But you're right he didn't explicitly say I will definitely win a trophy this year.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:16 p.m.

    There's a number of occasions when I feel quite compelled to write a piece on peoples perception/interpretation versus what has actually transpired. I think what has happened is that intentional destabilisation and contradictory messaging has drastically undermined peoples ability to think rationally and rigorously.

    You are quite correct that he did not say they he would definitely win a trophy this season. How possibly could he with any credibility at all? How could people take those words and extrapolate to that complete nonsense?

    It makes me want to have a lie down.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:23 p.m.

    Because that is what he meant which he said after a bad result to deflect and kick the can down the road. It's what people do in pressure situations.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:24 p.m.

    The way he is going I think he is going to win a big payoff.

    So he might not be wrong.

    Chicago: Wordsmith.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:27 p.m.

    This is what worries me most. People are much more concerned with what they think, than assessing an objective reality.

    Hell in a handcart.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:33 p.m.

    Exactly. There's always something to win.

    In all this it seems never to have occurred to anyone to ask him what he actually meant by his statement (I'm plumping for a goldfish in a bag at the local annual traveling fair. Recon I won one every second year as well). Instead they are spending quite a lot of time repeatedly critiquing something he didn't say.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:33 p.m.

    If you only accept literal statements and aren't prepared to entertain forming a view on meaning based on context, other evidence, nuance and all sorts of other actors then I think it's you in the handcart not me!

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:35 p.m.

    So, to summarise. You absolutely believe that he meant something that he didn't say, that he couldn't possibly know, and that anyone questioning that position must be wrong?

    At least we don't need the handcart. We are here. Welcome to hell!

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:38 p.m.

    On what evidence are you basing the goldfish in a bag from the fair conclusion. Has he won many before, does he often go to fairs and try to win them?

    The trophy interpretation is at least based on what he has done in the past which seems a fairer conclusion than a goldfish.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:39 p.m.

    And you absolutely believe he was talking about a goldfish at the fair...

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:45 p.m.

    You miss the point. On the first hand knowledge that we have it could just as logically be something such as that.

    Which would be a completely bonkers thing to believe at that level of knowledge. Right?

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:51 p.m.

    If you think it is equally likely he was referring to a goldfish than a trophy based on context and previous second season trophy wins then I'm happy for you.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 9:54 p.m.

    It's not the trophy, per se.

    "I always win a trophy in my second year" - that's fact checkable. It doesn't mean "I will win a trophy this year". That thing that is currently true, might not be true this time next year.

    Saying a fact today, does not commit the universe and all of quantum mechanics to an irreversible truth for all time.

    And nobody said it would.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 10:06 p.m.

    But he’s obviously not just giving an interesting nugget of trivia about his cv. Or he’d have mentioned it repeatedly last season as well.

    He’s basically trying to make it more likely that Spurs win something this year through the power of suggestion (or that cosmic ordering thing that Noel Edmonds used to bang on about). It’s not much different from convincing a club that it’s lucky for them when the year ends in one.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 10:10 p.m.

    Sure. (and there's deflection and other things to consider...an interesting discussion to be had around that, and how thick he might assume the commentary would be to get the wrong end of the stick and do his work).

    He still didn't say that he will win a trophy this year, and no amount of analysis of that conceit will mean that he has.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 11:07 p.m.

    Is the internet finite?

    If so, deleting this latest weird discussion by Tricky is now top of the deletions list.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 11:43 p.m.

    I think Tricky is having a bad day. Just let him have his day in the sun. It will eventually progress to something else...or death... Whichever is first.

    I am kind of used to it, but that is because Russ had been doing this kind of thing for years until he became happier and saner. Unfortunately for him, Jim seems to have taken his emotional progress and made it very voyeuristic. Only Talkback...

    Chicago: Business as usual.

  • 8 Jan 2025, 11:52 p.m.

    One of the trains I catch regularly used to have a recoding when you went into the on board toilets that would play when you locked the door asking you not to flush a list of items down the toilet, ending with Goldfish!
    Made me wonder how many people were flushing Goldfish onto the tracks to warrant them adding it to the list.