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I'm not angry I'm just disappointed
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And every page full of angry or disappointed men shouting at clouds / still discussing the Leeds game
Qual-it-eh.Still, Ingo's version of clickbait will soon have this thread on page 6, and you'll never guess what happens next...
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Free Madri for Ingo?
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I’m still a bit pissed off, dreading tonight’s game and the even more pissed off mood I’ll be in tomorrow.
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This is a total disaster. All unity gone. Ingo's lost the dressing room. We need to pull together, but it has become clear to me that Ingo is not the man to lead us through difficult times. We need someone to come in and steady the ship. And to be clear, Chicago is not the man to steady a ship.
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You can have my share.
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Ditto. It's right up there with the other untouchables - Carling, Fosters, John Smiths, Party 7, Home Brew....
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Make your fucking mind up.
But I do understand. I would have understood if he had chosen to do the different thing that would have made you happy. Except it wouldn't have made you happy if it had turned out to be a clusterfuck. You have an opinion, that is not authoratative, because it does not have all of the information.
I don't object to people having opinions, what I have a problem with is people framing an absolute failure to understand the broader context, as a cast iron demonstration of the uselessness of a manager. Because it just isn't that.
I can understand why he did what he did - lets be clear, all of those people have played for the first team this season. More than once. The totally unknown change that you feel is evidence that the manager is an idiot hadn't. Not even once.
What none of us know is whether your preference would have worked out better or worse (and you may want to consider the longer term implications of chucking a debutant into that situation along with the more general kick da fitba ones in that assesment).
Having an opinion is fine, having a bias and clutching at every illogical flaw to justify frothing, is just pure idiocy.
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I'm with Tricky on understanding the selection (although I wasn't in favour). Abbott might not have started for us in the PL before but he had started an FA Cup semi final. You can at least see the thinking.
However when it was going so calamitously wrong in the first half I'd definitely have made the change, probably at half time, on the basis that the new guy who'd only been here 5 minutes at least knew the position, and it would've put Aina back on the right and attempted to rebalance the defence. The fact he didn't make the change then - in fact not until Abbot went down with cramp with only 15 mins to go - is probably what's upset everyone so much.
That said, there will have been reasons for not making that change - maybe Netz hadn't trained in the system, maybe he was carrying a knock, perhaps he'd had no sleep, etc etc.
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I looked at the back 5, and went "oh, fuck". I bet Dyche did too.
Hard to square this thought with "we have an excellent squad", so probably best to blame the experienced manager with nearly a thousand games.
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I can only "see the thinking" if I was of the belief that the manager hadn't actually watched said semi-final. Otherwise no, I really can't. I can not for the life of me see the thinking of playing a youngster with no top flight starts who looked absolutely out of his depth at the position previously in a stadium and atmosphere that tricky rightly describes as hostile. There is no logic - none at all - that made that selection sensible from the outset, never mind leaving it in place after it was clearly going so badly wrong.
I do not understand this rabid desire to defend the manager. He gets praise when he gets things right, he gets called out when he fucks it up. Just because he drinks with McGregor and goes on Forest podcasts is not a free pass for catastrophic errors. If any other manager had fucked up that bad he wouldn't be getting a pass right now.
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I'm not actually defending the manager, so much as encouraging responders to think.
I'm saying that there is a possibility, with whatever the choice was of the available personel, that he would have been judged to have 'fucked up'. As for your feelings about peoples motivations, you are entitled to them, however misplaced and wrong they are. That's how humans work.
But it's worth bearing in mind when judging the actions of others. We are all mostly wrong, most of the time. Or at least Suttoning.
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Conversely I don’t understand the desire to get on the back of any manager who’s only been in the job for a few months. Cloughie wouldn’t have made it out of 1975 with us if he hadn’t been given a bit of time to impose his methods. Ferguson was at Man U for 5 years before he won anything. Imagine that now.
And has Dyche really fucked up that bad? He’s just made a few decisions that people don’t agree with. The results have been mid-table average since he started. What more can we expect?I don’t listen to bleating sport podcasts if I can help it and I don’t give many fucks who drinks with whom so that bit’s gone straight over my head.
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Shit things about the Premier League no. 19874
