• 10 Feb 2026, 11:35 p.m.

    I’m not sure I agree with the Kalimuendo example. He never looked great when he came on. Igor Jesus looks a much better goal scorer in Europe than he does in the premiership. He’s the same player but has way more time to take an extra touch in European games. When he tries that in the premiershipleague, he gets snuffed out. So you can argue that it’s about adaptation to both the team and the league.

    Certain players look better under certain managers. Nuno refused to play (or speak to) Omari and he didn’t get much gametime under Ange but has looked good, particularly off the bench under Dyche. Similarly, even you will admit Sangare looks good in a Dyche side (with the notable exception of Friday evening). Luiz looked awful under Dyche but great under Ange (and Emery).

  • 10 Feb 2026, 11:42 p.m.

    Correct. It's complicated. But the idea that one manager kills players and another doesn't is total bollocks. It just that how they are used might better, or worse, play to the attributes that they have. If they are anywhere near the level in the first place.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 2:56 a.m.

    Exactly the point. Looked good elsewhere both before and after Forest. Is it the mystical aura of the Premier League that only the most special of players can survive in, or is it that we gave him a shit bunch of managers who for one reason or another weren't able or willing to best use him? I have my suspicions as to the answer.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 2:58 a.m.

    You mean like, ooh, I dunno, playing a specialist right back on the left side so you can play an inexperienced centre half at right back while sitting a specialist left back on the bench? You mean playing to their attributes like that?

  • 11 Feb 2026, 7:41 a.m.

    A few players are good enough to adapt to any side. Some are just very good in a certain system and rubbish in others. Our former flying wingers Johnson and Elanga are good examples of this.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 7:55 a.m.

    Elanga played really well last night.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 8:32 a.m.

    I'm absolutely sure that Dyche didn't want to do that. But given what he had available, he made a judgement on his least worse choice in the circumstances. I don't doubt that he had as many reservations around it that the rest of us had. The difference is that he had to pick a side and put them out. We just had to moan from the sidelines.

    When we have our fist choice team availavble, he puts them in the right places, and gets them to run about a bit, and under those circumstances we look good. Go deep into the second string, and we don't.

    Whatever you think qabout whether players are the same in all leagues, and whether they have environmental adjustment to make or not, the realitiy of the eye test is that there's a drop off between our best team, and not our best team.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 8:36 a.m.

    I don't think anybody but Dyche would have picked that back 4 with the players available.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 8:55 a.m.

    And then kept them on for the start of the second half. For example, I don’t understand why Netz was ok for the bench but not to start or come on earlier?

  • 11 Feb 2026, 9:02 a.m.

    You don't understand why someone who had spent a day and a half at the club, having moved country, wasn't chucked into a makeshift defence, away at a hostile ground in a night game?

    Let me get this clear, you can think of absolutely no reason?

  • 11 Feb 2026, 9:11 a.m.

    You could change the above to apply pretty much to Abbott too.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 9:16 a.m.

    Exactly, that logic might be relevant if you weren’t chucking in a 19 yr old CB at RB for his Premier League debut.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 9:17 a.m.

    Can we all play that game?

    You don't understand why an experienced top level left back didn't get to play left back and instead, 80 percent of the back 5 was disrupted? Nor do you understand that it might have been a good idea to bring on that top level experienced left at half time when the disrupted back 5 was looking piss poor?

    Let me get this clear, you can think of absolutely no reason why Dyche is making poor decisions?

    Isn't subjective framing fun!

  • 11 Feb 2026, 9:19 a.m.

    Johnson has had very good games too since he’s left. Maybe they are finally working out how to play him, but it was only a few games ago he was getting booed by the best fans in the world.

  • 11 Feb 2026, 9:22 a.m.

    I fully understand the argument. Thanks for repeating it. Several times. I just don’t agree with it.

    Play a young centre back at RB for his first premier league start vs play a brand new LB who has >100 appearances in different league and keep one of your best players in his best position. I really don’t think the answer is as obvious as you think.

    Netz is an experienced defender and, in my opinion, was a “less worse” option than the one he went with. This was evident after 2 minutes. The fact that he didn’t change anything until 75mins is baffling.

    Also, your argument gets slightly shaky when bringing him on at 3-0 down.

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