• 15 Aug 2023, 6:11 p.m.

    The notion that referees are not human beings, and swayed by emotion, is ridiculous. Pressure does funny things to people, and it manifests itself in lots of ways. I do not believe that there is a conspiracy in favour of big clubs. I do believe that human beings find it harder to make decisions that are likely to be less well received. I do not believe that VAR is doing any sort of job of correcting emotional decisions.

    There have been plenty of occasions where manure have committed offences in their penalty area, and not had the correct decisions awarded against them. That's just a fact. It undoubtedly happens, on average (to a greater or lesser extent), in favour of all home clubs. Human beings don't like tens of thousands of people being vile towards them. So they have a tendency to be over sure...and that sways the percentages. It is amplified when there are other factors likely to be at play as a result of size of club...and of course passages of play, and where they occur play a part of that. That nailed on penalty for wolves last night wasn't not given because Manure were in the wolves penalty area more.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 6:16 p.m.

    Yes, of course, q.v. Maguire's handball v us last season. But to echo Simon's point, big clubs get more coverage and so when something happens in their favour you're more likely to hear about it than if a Bournemouth or Fulham or West Ham defender got away with one, and so it gets cemented in people's heads that the big clubs get more decisions in their favour than other clubs because they hear about it happening more often. Then they retcon why that might be happening and come up with conclusions such as "refs are more easily swayed at big clubs".

  • 15 Aug 2023, 6:19 p.m.

    Well, if you imagine the pressure created around bigger clubs to be similar to gravity (bigger, the more massive a club is), then it's also likely that smaller bodies are more noticeably influenced by it.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 6:30 p.m.

    If you imagine your aunty having balls, then it's also likely she's your uncle. But that's just a hypothetical point as well, whereas the greater media noise around bigger clubs and therefore the greater chance you hearing about incorrect decisions in their favour is an inarguable fact.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 6:40 p.m.

    I remember the Maguire handball against us and the phantom foul on Erickson right in front of Michael Oliver by Gabriel martinelli and then after the goal is scored then all of a sudden var says that Erickson was fouled (only for it to be reviewed later in the week as wrong).

    Also Declan Rice handballed at the weekend and it wasn’t even looked at.

    But yes sure VAR works for everybody.

    This isn’t a hatred of scum Utd it is a hatred of Var and it’s misuse.

    Chicago: Clearly cock a hoop.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 6:49 p.m.

    I think we're all largely in agreement that VAR is a stain on the sport.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 6:50 p.m.

    Okay, try this then. (sure, but it does not mean that only one factor is in play)

    You watched an incident in a football match. The referee made a bad decision...but you completely backed it, insisting that it was correct. Then it turned out that almost everyone who had ever watched a football game said that it was wrong, the professional body of the officials who made the decision said that it was a mistake, and those officials were taken off duty. This is for a game that you have many years of experience watching, and during which you (presumably) had functioning eyes.

    How could that possibly happen?

    Could it be because a part of your instinctive behaviour is to endorse a value structure that has served you well, on the back of belief in, and conformance to, this specific authority?

    It seems that could influence your decision making on your own, in the privacy of your own home, where nobody else cares.

    Now, remove the feels,m just take what you saw with your eyes...what do you really think? now stand on the penalty spot at old trafford, 50,000 eyes are looking at you from 100 yards, and there is a deafening howl...you are about to finish the match by taking something something away from them, that they think that they have, and that they very much want. You know that they are bigger, and better, than the other bunch...and that millions of people all over the world will be scrutinising what you do, and strongly disliking you...possibly verbally and physically assaulting you for years to come, if you go against them.

    Does it influence your decision making?

    Try not to lie to us (and yourself). We already know that 'because the ref said so' influences you.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 7:01 p.m.

    It could, but once again that's just your theory. I've actually explained why I think that last night's was the correct decision (and in the face of overwhelming argument to the opposite I'm willing to concede that it might not have been, but I still think that it was on a sporting level correct). I'm not being influenced by what Man U fans think of me, or fear of being told off by Fergie, or any of the other theories about why big clubs supposedly get the rub of the green because, as I have already stated, I don't think that that actually is the case at all.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 7:03 p.m.

    I think he was talking about the ref...

    Anyway you were both wrong..

    Chicago: Former Referee.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 7:11 p.m.

    Which had no standing in the laws of the game, nor on the evidential experience that you have built up in years watching the game. Remember, you steadfastly insisted that Chris Cohen be sent off when playing the ball because of the perceived reckless nature of his action.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 7:31 p.m.

    A decision that today would be an absolute no brainer. I'm not interested in re-litigating that or last night's decision, but again - context matters, and whether you like it or not refs use context to make decisions. Wolves' chances of scoring last night were if anything improved by Onana's actions which were a clear football play, so from a sporting perspective I remain convinced that it was the correct decision.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 8:38 p.m.

    Derby losing again at home. Half-time and a goal down to Oxford. Booed off apparently.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 8:39 p.m.

    Derby losing at home to Oxford at half time.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 8:48 p.m.

    Curse this new board for inserting posts without warning you and not letting you delete posts.

  • 15 Aug 2023, 8:51 p.m.

    It's funny, because I thought life in League One was a fresh start and a refreshing change and the fans were just grateful they still have a club.

    Why boo that?