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11 Aug 2023
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    Russ
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:05 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:05 p.m.
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    @Nottingham_Florist has written:

    Absolute stonewall clean-out-the-player penalty. How is it not?

    Because contact does not automatically = illegal. The keeper made a legitimate attempt to play the ball and did not in any way impede the Wolves player from doing the same, the contact occurred after the Wolves player had already headed the ball back into the box. No harm or foul was caused, so no penalty.

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    Russ
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:06 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:06 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul and probably a yellow card.

    Yes, because anywhere else on the pitch it would be illegal to attempt to make a play on the ball with your outstretched arms.

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:07 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:07 p.m.
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    Ah I see. Russ has his own version of the rules!

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    tricky
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:08 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:08 p.m.
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    Anywhere on the pitch, if you make a legitimate attempt at the ball, miss, and wipe out a player, it's a foul. Or it should be.

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    Russ
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:10 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:10 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    Ah I see. Russ has his own version of the rules!

    No, but the rules are and should be applied with context. Keepers have the latitude to throw themselves around the box because that's their job. In fact, if you watch it again he collided with his own man before the keeper hit him, giving a foul for a coming together that was incidental and in no way impacted the play other than potentially making it easier for Wolves to score should not sensibly result in a penalty. And the officials clearly agreed.

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    tricky
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:12 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:12 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    And the officials clearly agreed.

    That you are as wrong as them should not be a cause for personal celebration.

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:13 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:13 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:
    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul and probably a yellow card.

    Yes, because anywhere else on the pitch it would be illegal to attempt to make a play on the ball with your outstretched arms.

    Is it illegal to attempt to play the ball with your arms if you don't actually touch the ball with your arms?

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    Nottingham_Florist
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:14 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:14 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:
    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul and probably a yellow card.

    Yes, because anywhere else on the pitch it would be illegal to attempt to make a play on the ball with your outstretched arms.

    This isn't true.

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    Nottingham_Florist
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:15 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:15 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    No, but the rules are and should be applied with context. Keepers have the latitude to throw themselves around the box because that's their job. In fact, if you watch it again he collided with his own man before the keeper hit him, giving a foul for a coming together that was incidental and in no way impacted the play other than potentially making it easier for Wolves to score should not sensibly result in a penalty. And the officials clearly agreed.

    This might be.

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    Russ
    Squad 6402 posts
    14 Aug 2023, 10:15 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:15 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:
    @Russ has written:

    And the officials clearly agreed.

    That you are as wrong as them should not be a cause for personal celebration.

    On this one I'm quite happy to be on the side of the trained, qualified professionals who are at the absolute pinnacle of their trade, versus the blokes on the internet whose qualifications stem primarily from years of Sunday League and yelling at the telly.

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    tricky
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:18 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:18 p.m.
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    Missed the ball? Tick
    Contacted and impeded the man as a result? Tick
    Thereby preventing the man from participating in second phase play? Tick.
    Foul all day? Tick

    If you don't think that 'trained, qualified professionals who are at the absolute pinnacle of their trade' aren't habitually making howlers, your eyes don't work.

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    RC
    Squad 1510 posts
    14 Aug 2023, 10:19 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:19 p.m.
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    No pen, just because it’s Wolves.

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    Russ
    Squad 6402 posts
    14 Aug 2023, 10:19 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:19 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    Is it illegal to attempt to play the ball with your arms if you don't actually touch the ball with your arms?

    @Nottingham_Florist has written:

    This isn't true.

    You're both right, obviously - my poorly worded point is that anywhere else on the pitch no player can be making a legitimate football play by diving with arms outstretched at the ball, so the context of the decision changes as it must surely be an illegal body check. In this case though, it wasn't that at all - it was incidental contact as a result of perfectly normal play by both players that resulted, as I have said, in no harm or foul.

    You can argue all you like here but it's akin to shouting about how the doctors don't know as much as you when it comes to telling you what to put in your body. Believe it or not, the officials almost always know what they're doing. That the ref on the pitch and the officials on the replay both came to the conclusion that there was no need for further review requires a belief in either a collective incompetence or a conspiracy, both of which are highly unlikely.

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    14 Aug 2023, 10:20 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:20 p.m.
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    @Nottingham_Florist has written:
    @Russ has written:

    Yes, because anywhere else on the pitch it would be illegal to attempt to make a play on the ball with your outstretched arms.

    This isn't true.

    I agree, have never seen a free kick given for a ball not hitting a players arm however much they wave them about.

    As I said Russ has a different rule book to me.

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    Russ
    Squad 6402 posts
    14 Aug 2023, 10:24 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:24 p.m.
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    In the name of fairness and balance:

    twitter.com/HACKETTREF/status/1691192534549106691

    I still don't agree though. Also, fuck Wolves.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2188 posts
    14 Aug 2023, 10:27 p.m. 14 Aug 2023, 10:27 p.m.
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    It's tricky I can find a reason to dislike almost every team, but on balance Wolves losing is the better option.

    Pundits on Sky all going for penalty.

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