• 2 Oct 2023, 9:34 a.m.

    Many years ago now, on Dubya's instigation, I had a spell of rating the ref, on the rate the ref site (I assume it no longer exists). I had to stop, because it got demoralising. Of course officiating is now the responsibility of a team of officials, the laws of the game have been changed to help accommodate them, and the whole thing is a complete mess.

    So what do you think about the state of officiating? What is good, what is bad, what are the improvements that can be made?

    For me there are structural problems outside specific decision making (which remains poor). I always said that VAR should be what it says on the tin. An official watching the video feed, alerting the referee to things obvious from the video feeds, that were not obvious from the onfield views.

    Things that are not okay, with the current status of officiating:

    1. The laws of the game are wrong, causing officials to make decisions contrary to the spirit of the game - examples would be the handball catastrofuck, offside when players clearly interfering with the actions of the defence are deemed to be not offside.
    2. Unnecessary and inappropriate phases of play are being played because obvious decisions are not being made - players play on, wasting time from the game, risking injury, incorrect outcomes result (an offside attacking player is allowed to play on and ultimately wins a corner).
    3. Most of the game is being under-refereed, and then key events are re-refereed - but those key events are often very much a consequence of the under-refereeing, which rarely gets corrected.
    4. Refereeing only occurs if there is a goal related incident, or players fall down. This causes players to fall down, to make refereeing happen.
    5. Timekeeping is hideously haphazard and demonstrably wrong in most cases.

    I'm not touching the state of the laws of the game, and the application of judgement over individual incidents.

    We now have teams of officials, have modified the laws to assist referees, and given them technology to assist them, yet for me none of it is producing outcomes that are good enough, and it is ruining the game.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 9:56 a.m.

    Players fall down because the balance has shifted too much towards the offensive player. Contact is an important part of the game and if getting the ball first isn't the line for a tackle then it's not a fair contest between attacker and defender.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 10:03 a.m.

    Defenders absolutely should be allowed to make contact...to get touch tight, to put their body in a position that is in the attackers way. That's good defending. That an attacker can just fall over in the face of good defending, and get a free kick, is a failure of the laws and officiating.

    That a player can now get penalised for standing still, or running, or kicking, is surely a fundamental problem in a game that relies on all of those?

  • 2 Oct 2023, 11:08 a.m.

    Kane's built a career on that. Tbh, I don't think that's anywhere near as bad as it was - attackers much less likely to get a free-kick in recent seasons..
    The other way around though - defender on his own goalline shielding the ball, feels the attacker's breath on him, goes down and almost always gets awarded a free-kick. If you wouldn't give a penalty for it, don't give it anywhere else on the field.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 11:20 a.m.

    If a player is sheilding the ball from an opponent without attempting to play it, that should be obstruction, and the award of an indirect free kick.

    The fundamental problem at the heart of all this is that the rule makers appear to not actually like football. They want to turn it into ballet.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 11:27 a.m.

    The rule has always been that you can shield the ball as long as you are in playing distance of it. Agree that's often not the case when defenders are shielding it out of play but it's another situation where they's have to warn people before actually applying the law as written.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 11:36 a.m.

    I am not talking about the actual laws here, because they are a bag of spanners.

    For me football should be about playing, or attempting to play, the ball. If you are doing that, as long as you are not recklessly endangering an opponent, or using your hands, you should be okay to go about your business. If you are not doing that, and impacting negatively on an opponent trying to do that, then you should be judged to be committing a punishable offence.

    Shielding the ball without attempting to play it fails into that category, for me. Which is entirely different to playing the ball and then shielding it, or rolling a defender to then turn and play the ball. Those would require the judgement/opinion of the referee. So we are probably fucked either way.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 4:33 p.m.

    People have always moaned about refs and refs have always got things wrong for as long as I can remember. Sometimes we benefit from it, sometimes we don't. Plenty of managers have turned moaning about them and trying to influence the psychology of the decisions into a cottage industry (it probably works a bit too). Until we get AI referring and all the consistency that will bring it will remain as is. VAR and massive time add-ons don't really improve the game. In short, I don't care.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 4:54 p.m.

    I would like to see where and when the referee stopped his watch to find only 32 minutes worth counting in the first 45 minutes of the second half. And how that compared to when he started and stopped it to get 43 minutes of play in the 45 minutes of the first half (which also had a VAR check and, I think, at least one injury treatment)...

  • 2 Oct 2023, 5:10 p.m.

    Yep, the 13 mins was a shock. I could understand it if we'd had a very serious injury. I was expecting 6 or 7.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 5:15 p.m.

    Totally. Just doesn't make sense at all. Independent time-keeping needs to take place. Preferably with full transparency.

  • 2 Oct 2023, 5:22 p.m.

    Probably wasted 4-5 minutes on VAR plus a few substitutions but no idea how they ramped it up to 13 either.

    But in general I don’t really care. Everyone complained about the reffing before VAR existed and that hasn’t changed since it came into being. It annoys me sometimes but I’d rather have a bit (lot) of debate than some sanitised always-correct special ref algorithm that just spews out the right decision every time. Where’s the fun in that?

  • 2 Oct 2023, 5:55 p.m.

    I don't mind a ref (or linesmen) on the field, in real time, making mistakes. We've all been there...you shout at them, and then get on with it.

    I totally resent them being selective when they referee, stopping the game for minutes on end, and then getting the decisions wrong anyway.

  • 3 Oct 2023, 6:36 p.m.

    I used to run the line for a local team in the dizzy heights of the east Cornwall premier league. On my second game I was standing by the halfway line. We won a penalty and I edged closer to look. Penalty was saved, keeper boots it out, I look up and the striker was miles off. Raised my flag, ref blew for offside.

    I was about 5 yards in the wrong half..

    The crowd (25ish people) went mad, I just wanted the proverbial ground to swallow me up.

    Won Linesman of the year.

  • 3 Oct 2023, 7:22 p.m.

    Why is a match official using the word 'we' to describe one of the teams playing in a match they're officiating at?

    Just wondering like.