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Ingo
18 Mar 2024
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    JimShady
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:08 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:08 p.m.
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    Interesting bit about Sheff Wed. Sold their ground in 2020. 3 weeks after the reporting deadline. They were allowed mitigating circumstances because of it. We said the Johnson sale should be similar.

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    JimShady
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:10 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:10 p.m.
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    Quoted message:

    The Premier League submitted that although an early sale might have been incompatible with obtaining the target valuation, or the fee that could have been obtained later in the window, Forest should have had no choice: the sale had to happen before the end of June 2023, or it would breach the PSR Threshold. Further, it was expressly warned by the Premier League on 6 June 2023 about this.

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    Simon
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:15 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:15 p.m.
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    @dj_bobbins has written:

    Section 14 suggests we were due 8 points, but mitigation took it down to 4. It looks like the everton appeal helped us.

    By my reading that's what the premier league asked for. I'm not sure quoting treatment of Reading in our appeal for a lower punishment was much of a strategy - their previous suspended punishment has hardly kept them on the straight and narrow.

    On Everton's second punishment, it depends how much weight their commission puts on the EFL's double jeopardy rules because all three verdicts that i've read lean very heavily on "them's the rules" and whatever precedent they can find. If they stick to the rules and point out the clubs could have created an exception if they wanted (which is all over all three rulings), they could easily get another 6.

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    Ingo
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:17 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:17 p.m.
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    @Simon has written:
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    I really wish people would stop bringing up City like it's comparable. It's completely different in multiple ways, and massively more complex.

    Not really, we cheated a bit, Man City cheated a lot. If they crack on and dish out the appropriate the penalty then us and Luton start celebrating our glorious survivals.

    This is like you complaining that you have already been punished for the speeding ticket you got last month while the guy who got caught running the multimillion pound corporate embezzlement scheme last year still hasn't been to court.

    For someone who is normally shithot at calling out a shoddy analogy this will forever be a blot on your record.

    We did 85 on the motorway. They took Thrust 2 through a built up area. How are they still driving?

    They hacked the cameras before they did it, so they show they were only driving at 28. So we're a fixed penalty, all sorted quickly as it's an open and shut case but you have to prove that they actually did anything wrong and it's definitely going to court.

    And they are still allowed to keep driving?

    Until it goes to court, yes.

    Not if they are being kept in custody they aint.

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    jamesob
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:20 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:20 p.m.
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    If we can't finish 5 points better than Luton we don't deserve it anyway. Do-able if we can win two home games. We're capable of that but it won't be easy.

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    Charlie
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:25 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:25 p.m.
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    @jamesob has written:

    If we can't finish 5 points better than Luton we don't deserve it anyway. Do-able if we can win two home games. We're capable of that but it won't be easy.

    That's not the target is it though? We only have to pick up one point more than Luton over nine games.

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    JimShady
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:26 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:26 p.m.
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    "The extent to which the PSR Threshold has been exceeded in absolute terms, regardless of its level in a particular case, will always have a correlation with the (improper) sporting advantage that has been gained. The starting point when considering sanction, and before mitigation, must therefore be higher than the six points imposed on Everton"

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    Simon
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:28 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:28 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    "The extent to which the PSR Threshold has been exceeded in absolute terms, regardless of its level in a particular case, will always have a correlation with the (improper) sporting advantage that has been gained. The starting point when considering sanction, and before mitigation, must therefore be higher than the six points imposed on Everton"

    Section 14.2? That's the premier league's case, not the commission's view.

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    JimShady
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:30 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:30 p.m.
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    How they calculated ours

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    PNG, 22.4 KB, uploaded by JimShady on 18 Mar 2024.

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    Simon
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:32 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:32 p.m.
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    If we projected our finances based on finishing 12th last season, what did they project for this season? Champions league?

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    Ingo
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:39 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:39 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    How they calculated ours

    3+3-2? We're gonna need the Numberblocks out to sort this tricky one.

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    18 Mar 2024, 4:39 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 4:39 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    The extent to which the PSR Threshold has been exceeded in absolute terms,

    This to me is also utter bollocks.

    If the threshold was the same for each team they may have a point.

    But our threshold was 44m less than nearly all the teams we are competing with (and less than all of them).

    So we are at a sporting disadvantage before we start.

    Which again is absolutely the point isn't it.

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    Simon
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    18 Mar 2024, 5:05 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 5:05 p.m.
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    Punchier statement from the club than I was expecting: www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2024/march/18/club-statement/

    Appeal on the way, it sounds like.

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    18 Mar 2024, 5:10 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 5:10 p.m.
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    I like it. Careful to bear no grudge to the commission itself and throw ten tons of shit at the Premier League.

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    JRs_Cigarette
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    18 Mar 2024, 5:20 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 5:20 p.m.
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    This made me smile

    x.com/Dominos_UK/status/1769735189347844148?t=SmG5lKPw_iOSolZzgaHyrw&s=08

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    Mangetout
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    18 Mar 2024, 5:40 p.m. 18 Mar 2024, 5:40 p.m.
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    I realise that we have basically zero weight in the argument, but that's a good statement. The Premier League are the (main) villains in this.

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