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JimShady
9 May 2023
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    Mangetout
    Squad 2425 posts
    27 Mar 2024, 9:31 p.m. 27 Mar 2024, 9:31 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:

    There's some merit in making next years number as small as possible. That's not going to have any impact on us breaching this year.

    The rules for the next accounting period may well be different.

    20M promotion bonuses not counting as a loss should make quite a difference on this year's numbers

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2425 posts
    27 Mar 2024, 9:32 p.m. 27 Mar 2024, 9:32 p.m.
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    @Charlie has written:

    Assume you mean the latest Garibaldi Red podcast. I listened to that and it made me think the same. But I don't think it's in any way an "official" podcast though.

    Oh ok. Fair enough!

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    JimShady
    Squad 3846 posts
    27 Mar 2024, 9:43 p.m. 27 Mar 2024, 9:43 p.m.
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    Can someone explain the promotion bonuses 'thing' to me like I'm a simpleton please. I don't quite get the issue.

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    Lessred
    Squad 2062 posts
    27 Mar 2024, 10:31 p.m. 27 Mar 2024, 10:31 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    Can someone explain the promotion bonuses 'thing' to me like I'm a simpleton please. I don't quite get the issue.

    As I understand it, for the championship loss calculation promotion bonuses are added back

    For the Prem loss calculation they aren't.

    So if we were in the championship our losses for 2022 would be £20m less

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    Lessred
    Squad 2062 posts
    27 Mar 2024, 10:33 p.m. 27 Mar 2024, 10:33 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    Can someone explain the promotion bonuses 'thing' to me like I'm a simpleton please. I don't quite get the issue.

    As I understand it, for the championship loss calculation promotion bonuses are added back

    For the Prem loss calculation they aren't.

    So if we were in the championship our losses for 2022 would be £20m less.

    Apparently they only told us this in June. I presume it wasn't common knowledge

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2188 posts
    27 Mar 2024, 10:39 p.m. 27 Mar 2024, 10:39 p.m.
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    A simple example of how the scheme is designed to shaft promoted teams.

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    noodle
    Squad 998 posts
    28 Mar 2024, 5:14 a.m. 28 Mar 2024, 5:14 a.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    A simple example of how the scheme is designed to shaft promoted teams.

    Yes and no. They are an outgoing and the rules are supposed to be about controlling outgoings. If you start allowing certain bonuses to be excluded then… well we know where that goes.

    Where it’s unfair is that you’re given lower FFP limits for championship years.. so promotion bonuses get caught in a bit of a limbo. They are part of your costs as a championship club, but only paid out if you go up.. yet you don’t get any extra allowance with which to fund them.

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    28 Mar 2024, 6:32 a.m. 28 Mar 2024, 6:32 a.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    A simple example of how the scheme is designed to shaft promoted teams.

    It isn't the rules per se that are designed to do this, it is the Premier League. The rules try to fix a problem created by the Premier League, albeit badly. The rules we want, or lack of them, would be designed to let us wade in but others like Luton be completely locked out. The Premier League is the issue here and however It operates its vast wealth is likely to be a poor solution to that core problem

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2425 posts
    31 Mar 2024, 4:42 a.m. 31 Mar 2024, 4:42 a.m.
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    Funniest comment by one guy about how Chris Wood is NZ 's top scorer ever, so he must be good.

    I've watched the second and third highest scorers play and you already guessed about how good they aren't.

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    Todd
    Squad 176 posts
    31 Mar 2024, 6:05 a.m. 31 Mar 2024, 6:05 a.m.
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    I don't know, Vaughan Coveny was a Newcastle Jets legend back in the day.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2425 posts
    31 Mar 2024, 6:40 a.m. 31 Mar 2024, 6:40 a.m.
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    @Todd has written:

    I don't know, Vaughan Coveny was a Newcastle Jets legend back in the day.

    Yes, he was good for the A League, as was Smeltz.
    Joe Lolley looks like Zico though, and the league is much better these days.

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    Lessred
    Squad 2062 posts
    3 Apr 2024, 5:17 p.m. 3 Apr 2024, 5:17 p.m.
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    @steve

    Are you on that podcast again?

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    3 Apr 2024, 5:54 p.m. 3 Apr 2024, 5:54 p.m.
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    Yes, 'fraid so.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2425 posts
    3 Apr 2024, 10:03 p.m. 3 Apr 2024, 10:03 p.m.
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    Good stuff again. I don't think you are negative, fwiw.

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    Simon
    Squad 6581 posts
    4 Apr 2024, 8:58 a.m. 4 Apr 2024, 8:58 a.m.
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    @steve has written:

    Yes, 'fraid so.

    Good to see the Anderson measure of value being reused in an Anthony/CHO comparison.

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    4 Apr 2024, 9:22 a.m. 4 Apr 2024, 9:22 a.m.
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    I don't think I'm negative either, but because a lot of my opinions don't sit easily with what we are right now people seem to think I don't like the club and am doing it down, at least in the less nuanced corners of the internet, whereas I tend to think I'm trying to build it up.

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