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Russ
25 Apr 2023
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    dj_bobbins
    Squad 895 posts
    20 May 2025, 5:35 p.m. 20 May 2025, 5:35 p.m.
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    @Guru has written:
    @dj_bobbins has written:

    Which I think puts to bed the idea of us finishing 7th, Chelsea winning the conference league, and us still getting Europa..

    I don't understand how, in one of the scenarios given, if Chelsea finish 6th and win the Conference League and Newcastle finish 7th, both qualify for Europa league? Why would that scenario not apply to us as well?

    Because the barcodes won the league cup i think.

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    Simon
    Squad 6616 posts
    20 May 2025, 5:39 p.m. 20 May 2025, 5:39 p.m.
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    @Guru has written:
    @dj_bobbins has written:

    Which I think puts to bed the idea of us finishing 7th, Chelsea winning the conference league, and us still getting Europa..

    I don't understand how, in one of the scenarios given, if Chelsea finish 6th and win the Conference League and Newcastle finish 7th, both qualify for Europa league? Why would that scenario not apply to us as well?

    BBC says

    www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cg5vqyjqnp2o has written:

    If Chelsea win the Conference League and finish sixth, England will have three teams in the Europa League (including the team who finish seventh) and none in the Conference League.

    Explained here: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy5en1p7zwxo

    The complication comes through EPS. So, while fifth now gets you into the Champions League and sixth into the Europa League, for the purposes of competition qualification, the EPS situation doesn't count.

    So, if Chelsea finish sixth and win the Conference League, without EPS, they would already be in the Conference League berth, so they go into the Europa League as Conference League winners and England would not take its Conference League place. With EPS added, instead of the sixth-placed team (Chelsea) qualifying for the Europa League through their league placing, because they are already in, the seventh-placed team benefits. So that would be three English teams in the Europa League and none in the Conference League.

    By the same process, if Chelsea finish seventh and win the Conference League, without EPS, they would qualify for the Europa League despite being outside the European places, meaning three English teams in the Europa League – Chelsea, Palace and the fifth placed team – and one – the sixth-placed team – in the Conference League. With EPS added, everything drops down a place BUT as Chelsea are already in the Europa League, instead of the Conference League spot going to them after finishing seventh, it goes to the eighth placed team.

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    Simon
    Squad 6616 posts
    20 May 2025, 5:44 p.m. 20 May 2025, 5:44 p.m.
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    So that implies that if Chelsea are 6th and we are 7th (i.e. draw on Sunday, Villa beat ManU, City get at least two points from their last two), we get a Europa place.

    Which does go some way to resolving my question about Opta rating our chances of Europa so high vs conference, because that moves a reasonable scenario into EL qualification when I'd assumed it was a conference qualification.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2202 posts
    20 May 2025, 6:32 p.m. 20 May 2025, 6:32 p.m.
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    So if we lose to Chelsea it's conference, draw it's Europa, win and it CL or Europa?

    Maybe

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    BrettWilliams
    Squad 2214 posts
    20 May 2025, 6:33 p.m. 20 May 2025, 6:33 p.m.
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    We're wasting a lot of time and space debating the different scenarios for Sunday.

    This squad of incompetent, let-down wankers have fucked it, remember.

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    Simon
    Squad 6616 posts
    20 May 2025, 6:46 p.m. 20 May 2025, 6:46 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    So if we lose to Chelsea it's conference, draw it's Europa, win and it CL or Europa?

    Maybe

    It seems that if we draw, we switch to wanting Villa to win at United, so they get above Chelsea.

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    Sean
    Squad 2034 posts
    20 May 2025, 7:07 p.m. 20 May 2025, 7:07 p.m.
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    Just as well that old European qualification through the 'Fair Play League' or Intertoto chestnuts isn't a thing anymore, eh.

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    BrettWilliams
    Squad 2214 posts
    20 May 2025, 8:31 p.m. 20 May 2025, 8:31 p.m.
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    City a goal up.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2202 posts
    20 May 2025, 8:39 p.m. 20 May 2025, 8:39 p.m.
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    Bournemouth look like a team that don't give a fuck.

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    BrettWilliams
    Squad 2214 posts
    20 May 2025, 8:40 p.m. 20 May 2025, 8:40 p.m.
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    Yep, 2-0 now.

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    Russ
    Squad 6439 posts
    20 May 2025, 9:27 p.m. 20 May 2025, 9:27 p.m.
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    City down to 10 for the last 25 minutes. Come on you tinpot mugs, do something useful for a fucking change.

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    Dave_Rave
    Squad 3011 posts
    20 May 2025, 9:32 p.m. 20 May 2025, 9:32 p.m.
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    And what they've done is go down to 10 themselves.
    Muffed it.

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    Andyp
    Squad 149 posts
    20 May 2025, 9:44 p.m. 20 May 2025, 9:44 p.m.
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    They can muff off to Div 2 where they belong. My no 1 pick for relegation next year after they loose the manager.

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    JimShady
    Squad 3853 posts
    20 May 2025, 9:56 p.m. 20 May 2025, 9:56 p.m.
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    That's City out the equation. Things are a bit simpler now. We need to win, and Newcastle or Villa need to not win.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2427 posts
    20 May 2025, 10:03 p.m. 20 May 2025, 10:03 p.m.
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    Ruling out a 13-0 win over Chelsea seems like quitter talk.

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    Guru
    Squad 1369 posts
    20 May 2025, 10:11 p.m. 20 May 2025, 10:11 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    That's City out the equation. Things are a bit simpler now. We need to win, and Newcastle or Villa need to not win.

    It’s so cute that you still hold out hopes of Champions League. How do you cope with the expectation/despondency cycle?

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