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Russ
25 Apr 2023
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    Dave_Rave
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    17 Nov 2023, 12:31 p.m. 17 Nov 2023, 12:31 p.m.
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    Unsurprisingly they are appealing.

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    tricky
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    17 Nov 2023, 12:39 p.m. 17 Nov 2023, 12:39 p.m.
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    Anyone think that the punishment fits the crime*? Looks like it was judged, and timed, to give them a chance to get out of trouble**, and so that they accept it***..So it can all get swept under the carpet. It's a fudge!

    * I mean in terms of the rules, not the clusterfuck of spirit that the FFP rules actually are.
    ** Lest we forget, Swindon Town were relegated two divisions, down to one on appeal, for financial regularities, immediately prior to the formation of the premier league.
    *** Even if they don't.

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    Ingo
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    17 Nov 2023, 12:47 p.m. 17 Nov 2023, 12:47 p.m.
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    When is it Man City and Chelsea's turn?

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    Simon
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    17 Nov 2023, 12:47 p.m. 17 Nov 2023, 12:47 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:

    Anyone think that the punishment fits the crime*? Looks like it was judged, and timed, to give them a chance to get out of trouble**, and so that they accept it***..So it can all get swept under the carpet. It's a fudge!

    * I mean in terms of the rules, not the clusterfuck of spirit that the FFP rules actually are.
    ** Lest we forget, Swindon Town were relegated two divisions, down to one on appeal, for financial regularities, immediately prior to the formation of the premier league.
    *** Even if they don't.

    Swindon were making off books payments to their players. That's substantially different to Everton's books saying that they have spent more than the rules allow. It's illegal for a start.

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    tricky
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    17 Nov 2023, 3:11 p.m. 17 Nov 2023, 3:11 p.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    Swindon were making off books payments to their players. That's substantially different to Everton's books saying that they have spent more than the rules allow. It's illegal for a start.

    Like the recent investigation has showed that chelski did? As everyone knew at the time. Watch this space, but don't hold your breath.

    If you cheat, as Everton did (according to the rather puny rules), thereby gaining an advantage over other clubs, and fanbases, who suffer worse outcomes as a result...and are not punished accordingly, then you open the door to clubs not complying with the rules, and fending off the puny punishment when it comes. As the water companies do with the pumping shit problem...not that the fines that are in law are actually levied against them.

    Like our rivers, the notion of 'football governance' is completely full of shit.

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    Sean
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    17 Nov 2023, 7:09 p.m. 17 Nov 2023, 7:09 p.m.
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    @Dave_Rave has written:

    Unsurprisingly they are appealing.

    Are they fuck, they're as shit as they look.

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    Russ
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    18 Nov 2023, 4:30 a.m. 18 Nov 2023, 4:30 a.m.
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    Burnley, Leicester and Leeds apparently sueing Everton. Not sure why Leeds are bothering, they'd still have been relegated if Everyon had finished in the bottom 3.

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    Ingo
    Squad 2648 posts
    18 Nov 2023, 7:26 a.m. 18 Nov 2023, 7:26 a.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    Burnley, Leicester and Leeds apparently sueing Everton. Not sure why Leeds are bothering, they'd still have been relegated if Everyon had finished in the bottom 3.

    Would more points against Everton have kept them up?

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    Russ
    Squad 6436 posts
    18 Nov 2023, 11:24 a.m. 18 Nov 2023, 11:24 a.m.
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    @Ingo has written:
    @Russ has written:

    Burnley, Leicester and Leeds apparently sueing Everton. Not sure why Leeds are bothering, they'd still have been relegated if Everyon had finished in the bottom 3.

    Would more points against Everton have kept them up?

    If Leeds are going to make the argument that if Everton hadn't cheated then they would have got more points against them, then the flip to that is that every other team would have got more points against them. Leeds took 1 point from Everton and Leicester took 4; if we accept that Leeds would have got 6 points absent the cheating then we have to also accept that so would Leicester, who finished 3 points above Leeds and were therefore definitively a better team. That would have had Leicester and Leeds both finishing on 36, and Leeds going down on goal difference.

    So, no.

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    Russ
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    18 Nov 2023, 11:50 a.m. 18 Nov 2023, 11:50 a.m.
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    Also, the fucking gall of Trestellar FC to whine about other clubs gaining a financial advantage by skirting the rules.

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    istklaus
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    22 Nov 2023, 9:09 p.m. 22 Nov 2023, 9:09 p.m.
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    Poor Wayne he must be devastated: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-67498468

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    23 Nov 2023, 8:56 a.m. 23 Nov 2023, 8:56 a.m.
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    There is talk of at least 6 PL clubs having broken the rules in some way, so this is going to run for some time yet.

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    JimShady
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    23 Nov 2023, 9:20 a.m. 23 Nov 2023, 9:20 a.m.
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    I saw suggestions on X that we are unlikely to have been compliant in the last three year period we were in the Championship. Any thoughts on that Steve? I know you're quite on the ball with the finances.

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    Simon
    Squad 6610 posts
    23 Nov 2023, 10:15 a.m. 23 Nov 2023, 10:15 a.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    I saw suggestions on X that we are unlikely to have been compliant in the last three year period we were in the Championship. Any thoughts on that Steve? I know you're quite on the ball with the finances.

    We'd escape (for the time being) on the Leicester loophole then.

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    23 Nov 2023, 10:20 a.m. 23 Nov 2023, 10:20 a.m.
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    @steve has written:

    There is talk of at least 6 PL clubs having broken the rules in some way, so this is going to run for some time yet.

    So the rules are shit, and the governance of them atrocious?

    It's the football way.

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    Dean
    Squad 181 posts
    23 Nov 2023, 10:46 a.m. 23 Nov 2023, 10:46 a.m.
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    There is this Defoe to Spurs from Portsmouth one being floated about now, he's been retired 18 months and the transfer was 14 years ago. Nothing like being on the ball.

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