• trickylens
    2 years ago

    I see that top professionals at the peak of their powers missed an offside in la liga, to incorrectly award Barcelona (who have a history of paying referees for consultancy) a goal.

  • jamesobhelp_outline
    2 years ago

    Dunno. Look it up if you think it's important?

  • trickylens
    2 years ago

    Don't you think it's important, when your argument is almost entirely numerical?

    When coaches talk about creating chances, they mostly mean through movement and skill, that players contribute to. Rather than having teammates fall down in the box while you la di da loiter around the halfway line, or back post.

    That's as much a part of being a striker, as a numerical count. You have to actually strike sometimes.

  • jamesobhelp_outline
    2 years ago

    OK he has 9 goals in 10 games in the Bundesleiga/Champions League with 5 assists. 4 of the goals were pens, 3 of which won by him. It doesn't sound like a bad start.

    Let's see where he is at the end of the season. The next 2 or 3 years and what he achieves will determine where he stands in history alongside those other currently greater strikers I mention.

  • trickylens
    2 years ago

    Why can't we take the last ten years?

  • jamesobhelp_outline
    2 years ago

    Jef and I were talking about his start to this season.

    I have no idea how many pens he's scored over the last 10 years: a lot, but probably not a massive proportion of the 213 he has scored for Spurs which is frankly a ridiculously high figure.

    Edit: or did you mean why can't we take the last ten years when assessing his greatness? We can of course and he's done very well but not enough to be in their bracket yet. If he scored 30 a year for the next couple of seasons in Germany, moved to Real Madrid or Barca and repeats the trick and picks up a champions league or two on the way (plus anything significantly for England) he probably would deserve to be notched up.

    He's probably about where Lewa was at 30.

  • trickylens
    2 years ago

    Internationally Kane has scored around a third of his goals as penalties. He scores them at around the average for successful spot kicks, at around 85%. This drops to under 70% for international tournaments, and to around 50% for knockout games.

    In the big moments, when you need your big players to step up, he's literally and metaphorically headed the wrong way.

    Still. He plays every minute, of every game, for all that clever striking play. Doesn't he? Innit?

    Not for me.

  • jamesobhelp_outline
    2 years ago

    Yep. Opinions. You have your's. Southgate, Tuchel, Pep, Poc, Mourinho, Conte have their's I guess. Each to their own.

  • trickylens
    2 years ago

    You play with what you have available to you. Which for England is better options. I don't really much care if totteningham or Bayern munching bratwurst aren't fussed about winning things.

    Whatever you think about opinions, you can't challenge the numerical facts. Trophies won with Kane in the team is still zero. Nought. Nada.

  • jamesobhelp_outline
    2 years ago

    Indeed. That's why next few years for him will be important.

  • Russlens
    2 years ago

    But then currently being third while Spurs are top apparently tells us more?

  • trickylens
    2 years ago

    I wouldn't think so. But the relative recent comparison of fortunes is interesting to those who have insisted that Kane is a massive asset, and not playing him would inevitably make a team worse. I would have thought.

  • jamesobhelp_outline
    2 years ago

    You mean as in each of Spurs, Bayern and Kane have all had excellent starts to the season? OK...

  • Simonhelp_outline
    2 years ago

    xG for a penalty is somewhere between 0.75 and 0.8, so he's above average but not exceptional. I suspect those tournament figures are from too small a sample to be meaningful (please assure me the ones in "knockout games" isn't just the two against France).

  • trickylens
    2 years ago

    Clearly the fewer data points, the less statistically significant any conclusions drawn from the data are. An individuals data record is rarely over a large number of data points, for penalties. I believe that Kane has taken in the order of twice the number of England penalties of any other player. So they are likely to be as significant as it gets.

    The data would suggest that having someone like Saka take penalties, and someone who can run and do strikery things in place of Kane, would at least not significantly alter the contributions to goals from penalty kicks. It's not like he's a statistical freak who scores them all. Someone like sterling, who is more on the move, is likely to win more.

  • Toddpanorama_fish_eye
    2 years ago

    One of the reasons why I didn't want Ange to go there - always a decent chance he was going to get things together for them.

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