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Russ
25 Apr 2023
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    Dave_Rave
    Squad 3044 posts
    27 Aug 2025, 10:15 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:15 p.m.
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    FUCKING GET IN!

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    BrettWilliams
    Squad 2222 posts
    27 Aug 2025, 10:15 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:15 p.m.
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    Beautiful

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2433 posts
    27 Aug 2025, 10:16 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:16 p.m.
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    Worth waiting for

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    Simon
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    27 Aug 2025, 10:19 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:19 p.m.
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    I realise it’s the least of his failings but a top goalkeeper does not concede 12 out of 13 Grimsby penalties.

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    chicago
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    27 Aug 2025, 10:29 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:29 p.m.
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    The third Grimsby goal was a deflection off the ManUre defender so have no idea how it was disallowed.

    Absolutely loved the penalty shoot out though as their new Recruits, Cunha and Mbueno both missed to send Grimbo through. Always loved Grimsby.

    Hope we don't play them in the third round though as I don't fancy us in a penalty shoot out. I will wait until the final to see that match up.

    Chicago: Happy as Larry.

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    tricky
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    27 Aug 2025, 10:32 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:32 p.m.
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    In fairness to Ruined Amorim he is right. The side he sends out are shit.

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    Russ
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    27 Aug 2025, 10:45 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:45 p.m.
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    @chicago has written:

    The third Grimsby goal was a deflection off the ManUre defender so have no idea how it was disallowed.

    Because he was in an offside position when the ball was played by his team mate, and Maguire playing the ball didn't make it a separate play. The IFAB Laws Of The Game specifically account for this scenario:

    www.theifab.com/laws/latest/offside/#offside-offence

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    Jake
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    27 Aug 2025, 10:52 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:52 p.m.
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    "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent."

    Maguire deliberately played the ball, it did not deflect off (of) him.

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    tricky
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    27 Aug 2025, 10:53 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:53 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    The IFAB Laws Of The Game specifically account for this scenario:

    Yes they do.

    Maguire intentionally played the ball (unsuccessfully), so the attacker should not have been penalised for being offside.

    Totally clear cut in law. Although the law is an arse.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2209 posts
    27 Aug 2025, 10:56 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:56 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:
    @chicago has written:

    The third Grimsby goal was a deflection off the ManUre defender so have no idea how it was disallowed.

    Because he was in an offside position when the ball was played by his team mate, and Maguire playing the ball didn't make it a separate play. The IFAB Laws Of The Game specifically account for this scenario:

    www.theifab.com/laws/latest/offside/#offside-offence

    The laws do specifically deal with it but to say he is onside due to the deliberate action

    We had a similar incident against Luton away in the promotion season where our goal was flagged offside (Spence scored maybe?)..

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    Dave_Rave
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    27 Aug 2025, 10:58 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 10:58 p.m.
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    @chicago has written:

    Absolutely loved the penalty shoot out though as their new Recruits, Cunha and Mbueno both missed

    While / whilst Sesko went 10th.

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    tricky
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    27 Aug 2025, 11:09 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 11:09 p.m.
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    @Dave_Rave has written:

    While / whilst Sesko went 10th

    You wouldn't want to pay that much money for a striker that milky.

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    Russ
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    27 Aug 2025, 11:16 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 11:16 p.m.
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    @Jake has written:

    "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent."

    Maguire deliberately played the ball, it did not deflect off (of) him.

    @tricky has written:
    @Russ has written:

    The IFAB Laws Of The Game specifically account for this scenario:

    Yes they do.

    Maguire intentionally played the ball (unsuccessfully), so the attacker should not have been penalised for being offside.

    Totally clear cut in law. Although the law is an arse.

    Now keep reading to the next bit.

    Quoted message:

    *‘Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:

    passing the ball to a team-mate;

    gaining possession of the ball; or

    clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)

    If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.

    The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball:

    The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it

    The ball was not moving quickly

    The direction of the ball was not unexpected

    The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control

    A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air

    At the very most it's a matter of interpretation by the ref, but I'd argue that under the IFAB definition Maguire did not at any point have control of the ball and it was therefore not considered a deliberate play. You're welcome to argue the stupidity and/or the unnecessary complexity of the rule, but as it stands I think the ref got it right.

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    chicago
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    27 Aug 2025, 11:57 p.m. 27 Aug 2025, 11:57 p.m.
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    Only because Grimsbot won on penalties. If the Scum had made it through because of that I would rightly feel flvery sorry for the home supporters. Either way all’s well that ends well.

    Chicago: The forgiving sort.

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    tricky
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    28 Aug 2025, midnight 28 Aug 2025, midnight
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    @Russ has written:

    I think the ref got it right.

    Thanks for the heads up. Have you thought of becoming a VAR official? You'd be perfect. You don't understand how the laws should be applied to actual football.

    Let me be absolutely clear here. The referee was wrong in law.

    I'm not saying that they wouldn't try to justify it was a legitimate decision....that's why the laws are so complex. Wriggle room.

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    Jake
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    28 Aug 2025, 9:52 a.m. 28 Aug 2025, 9:52 a.m.
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    Far too much interpretation. The guy was offside according to the Clough rule of if you're on the pitch you are interfering with play. That should be the end of it, but the rules on this, on hand ball and on everything else have changed to the point it's just make it up as you go along.

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