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tricky
9 Sep 2023
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    tricky
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    29 Oct 2023, 10:53 p.m. 29 Oct 2023, 10:53 p.m.
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    Car jockeying isn't a sport*. Basketball was covered.

    * It's a sport when the participant carries the equipment. Not vica versa.

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    Russ
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    29 Oct 2023, 11:09 p.m. 29 Oct 2023, 11:09 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:
    • It's a sport when the participant carries the equipment. Not vica versa.

    Like that a lot. I might add it to the rest of my rules governing whether something qualifies as a sport or not.

    • Has an objective scoring system (i.e. no judges)
    • Requires specialist footwear
    • Is not accompanied by the consumption of alcohol
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    tricky
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    29 Oct 2023, 11:33 p.m. 29 Oct 2023, 11:33 p.m.
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    You are going to need an informed consent provision.

    Horse racing is a sport, but only for the horse, if you consider the jockey to be equipment. You might argue a team sport. Except it can't be, because the horse can't give their informed consent. There are those who argue that horses are happy to take part, but they are bred to be happy, or melted down for glue. This is slavery, not non-coercive participation. So not a sport.

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    Jeff_Albertson
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    30 Oct 2023, 8:42 a.m. 30 Oct 2023, 8:42 a.m.
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    @tricky has written:

    * It's a sport when the participant carries the equipment. Not vica versa.

    Rowing?
    Cycling?
    Sailing?

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    tricky
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    30 Oct 2023, 9:12 a.m. 30 Oct 2023, 9:12 a.m.
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    @Jeff_Albertson has written:

    Rowing?

    Yes.

    @Jeff_Albertson has written:

    Cycling?

    Yes.

    @Jeff_Albertson has written:

    Sailing?

    No.

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    noodle
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    31 Oct 2023, 2:31 a.m. 31 Oct 2023, 2:31 a.m.
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    What about skiing? Do the skis consent? The snow?

    The footwear is very specialist.. but I disagree with that rule. Specialist footwear is very useful in many sports… but not at all required. I’ve not owned football boots since I was 12… but who, other than those who’ve seen me play, would say I was not doing sport when playing in everything from barefoot to para boots?

    Also, I argue that darts is not only a sport.. but a valid component of the true olympics which, as my dad never bored of telling me, was about hunting, fighting, and message carrying.

    How about ‘it’s only sport if a naked Greek dude can do it’?

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    tricky
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    31 Oct 2023, 9:36 a.m. 31 Oct 2023, 9:36 a.m.
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    Skis are going nowhere, without being carried (on the feet) of the athlete. See also oars, and bike wheels. A sailing ship can (see the mary celeste). Not everything that appears in the olympics is a sport, as you say it's also about about hunting, fighting, and message carrying...and getting girls into swimsuits for television audiences (see synchronised swimming) so that olympic delegates can rinse a fucktonne of money out of the enterprise.

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    Simon
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    31 Oct 2023, 10:02 a.m. 31 Oct 2023, 10:02 a.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    Like that a lot. I might add it to the rest of my rules governing whether something qualifies as a sport or not.

    • Has an objective scoring system (i.e. no judges)

    • Requires specialist footwear

    • Is not accompanied by the consumption of alcohol

    Chess is out anyway on your rule 2, but I'd add still replace that rule with "a requirement physical skill" (and drop rule 3 - pool and darts are sports, even if you can do them drunk). Darts and archery are obviously sports (what else can they be) but neither require specialist footwear.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2188 posts
    31 Oct 2023, 1:55 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 1:55 p.m.
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    Is rule 2 saying it is a sport if it requires socialist footwear or it isn't?

    I'd assumed it was the latter.

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    Russ
    Squad 6402 posts
    31 Oct 2023, 2:21 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 2:21 p.m.
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    To be clear: to be considered a sport all rules must be satisfied, not just one. It must have an objective scoring system (so ice dancing, diving and gymnastics are out), it must require specialist footwear (so snooker, crown green bowling and archery are out), and it must not be accompanied by the consumption of alcohol (so darts and pool are out - any activity in which a fat drunk man in flip flops can be world champion is clearly not a sport).

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    JimShady
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    31 Oct 2023, 2:49 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 2:49 p.m.
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    Just to confirm, lawn green bowling (rather than crown green) is in, right? As you have to wear specialist footwear to prevent damage to the grass.

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    Russ
    Squad 6402 posts
    31 Oct 2023, 2:54 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 2:54 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    Just to confirm, lawn green bowling (rather than crown green) is in, right? As you have to wear specialist footwear to prevent damage to the grass.

    No. The footwear provides no advantage to actually playing the sport. Same for ten pin bowling. It might be better to say a change of footwear is required rather than specialist footwear, because there are sports in which bare feet are the correct attire.

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    Guru
    Squad 1361 posts
    31 Oct 2023, 2:57 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 2:57 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:
    @JimShady has written:

    Just to confirm, lawn green bowling (rather than crown green) is in, right? As you have to wear specialist footwear to prevent damage to the grass.

    No. The footwear provides no advantage to actually playing the sport. Same for ten pin bowling. It might be better to say a change of footwear is required rather than specialist footwear, because there are sports in which bare feet are the correct attire.

    How about generic trainers? And is a change of footwear “required” vs “preferred”?

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    tricky
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    31 Oct 2023, 3:07 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 3:07 p.m.
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    When I started playing football, football boots were almost indistinguishable from rugby boots, and could also have provided good service down t'pit.

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    JellyHead
    Squad 87 posts
    31 Oct 2023, 3:17 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 3:17 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:

    To be clear: to be considered a sport all rules must be satisfied, not just one. It must have an objective scoring system (so ice dancing, diving and gymnastics are out), it must require specialist footwear (so snooker, crown green bowling and archery are out), and it must not be accompanied by the consumption of alcohol (so darts and pool are out - any activity in which a fat drunk man in flip flops can be world champion is clearly not a sport).

    Your last sentence rules out heavy weight boxing. The scoring system may do too as it's peoples opinion.

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    tricky
    Board 7321 posts
    31 Oct 2023, 4:24 p.m. 31 Oct 2023, 4:24 p.m.
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    They could play until one of them knocks the other one the fuck out?

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