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Ingo
17 Apr 2023
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    JimShady
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    20 Jun 2025, 9:24 a.m. 20 Jun 2025, 9:24 a.m.
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    @Joanna has written:
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    @Russ has written:

    Jobbed again by the fucking cockney cunts.

    Join the club.

    I appear to have got in this time. Seems strange not getting the normal, yearly rejection email.

    Unlucky!

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2198 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 9:54 a.m. 20 Jun 2025, 9:54 a.m.
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    @BrettWilliams has written:
    @Russ has written:
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    Got into something of a fight at work...

    I'm presuming this is an Americanism and you mean you had an argument with someone as opposed to lamping them, which tends to be a more pressing HR matter.

    Is it? I don't think it's an Americanism, any more than saying you had a fight with your wife means your were throwing hands at each other.

    I'd say someone had an argument with their wife unless they were throwing hands, in which case it would be a fight.

    May just be me, though.

    Yeah I'd say row with someone or argument but not fight unless physical contact had been made.

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    JimShady
    Squad 3852 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 10:11 a.m. 20 Jun 2025, 10:11 a.m.
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    I would say fight even if no physical contact.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2427 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 11:43 a.m. 20 Jun 2025, 11:43 a.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    I would say fight even if no physical contact.

    Same.
    Out here in the Antipodes, there's a marvellous word "stoush", which historically meant fistfight, but now means any row.

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    Lessred
    Squad 2065 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 12:19 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 12:19 p.m.
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    Maybe it's because I'm old, but fight would imply physical violence.

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    Simon
    Squad 6610 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 12:32 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 12:32 p.m.
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    I'm old but it would depend on context. If someone says they got in a fight at work (or with their wife), I'd assume it was a row unless they specified a physical element. If they said they got in a fight at the pub, I'd assume physical until clarified otherwise.

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    tricky
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    20 Jun 2025, 12:34 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 12:34 p.m.
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    @Lessred has written:

    Maybe it's because I'm old, but fight would imply physical violence.

    One thing we boomers shouldn't apologise for is not watering down language until it becomes meaningless.

    The other things, not so much.

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    Dave_Rave
    Squad 3009 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 1:01 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 1:01 p.m.
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    I'm old, so I'd class throwing rocks at Stormtroopers as rebellion.

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    Russ
    Squad 6436 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 3:15 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 3:15 p.m.
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    @Joanna has written:
    @JimShady has written:
    @Russ has written:

    Jobbed again by the fucking cockney cunts.

    Join the club.

    I appear to have got in this time. Seems strange not getting the normal, yearly rejection email.

    You're officially kicked out of the cockney whining club.

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 3:21 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 3:21 p.m.
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    Isn't that supporters of Chelski, Arse an all, and Spurts?

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    Ingo
    Squad 2648 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 4:42 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 4:42 p.m.
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    @Russ has written:
    @Joanna has written:
    @JimShady has written:
    @Russ has written:

    Jobbed again by the fucking cockney cunts.

    Join the club.

    I appear to have got in this time. Seems strange not getting the normal, yearly rejection email.

    You're officially kicked out of the cockney whining club.

    Happy to sign off on this.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2427 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 6:44 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 6:44 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:
    @Lessred has written:

    Maybe it's because I'm old, but fight would imply physical violence.

    One thing we boomers shouldn't apologise for is not watering down language until it becomes meaningless.

    The other things, not so much.

    Even if the word has been accepted to mean "heated argument" for more than our lifetimes?

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 7 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 7 p.m.
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    @Mangetout has written:

    Even if the word has been accepted to mean "heated argument" for more than our lifetimes?

    I understand that, but there are other words with that more direct meaning, and it's not the primary meaning of the word. Of course people can choose their words poorly, particularly if they lack the breadth of vocabulary, if they want. There's no requirement to be clear with what you actually mean, and as a result cause confusion and misunderstanding.

    It's just not effective communication.

    Of course people generally like to be thought of as more than they really are, so might co-opt words like 'fight' which appears strong more so than, for example, looking at someone a bit funny and making a sarcy snipe.

    So there are lots of contributory factors potentially here. It's just clear after cross examination that what we are dealing with here is not really a fight. Except in the loosest sense.

    We could have got here quicker with better use of language. But that probably wasnt the objective.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2427 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 7:20 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 7:20 p.m.
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    While I agree in principle - "literally" has been a bugbear for many years - this is a perfectly valid use of the word "fight", and "punch-up", "brawl", "fistfight" etc would have been available for a different meaning.
    I thought it was reasonably clear, but clearly there was some ambiguity which was quickly cleared up.

    I wonder if it's a regional dialect thing where Notnum folk have a more specific usage.

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    Russ
    Squad 6436 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 7:21 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 7:21 p.m.
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    I suspect it's more a case of this:

    uploads.dailydot.com/2024/06/old-man-yells-at-cloud.jpg

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    20 Jun 2025, 7:37 p.m. 20 Jun 2025, 7:37 p.m.
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    I think that we can all agree that 'fight' is at best imprecise, and largely hyperbole unless it actually involves twatting someone.

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