Leauge Cup R3 - Swansea

We could call it Ange Management if you prefer?

I don't see why Anderson couldn't do it with Luiz behind him. It might even give Yates or Sangaré room to play. Or, better yet if form continues, Dominguez.
Luiz is definitely the kind of swaggering arsehole that I love in my team.

Hopefully not. But I think he's maybe spent the last few days instilling the idea of being positive and trying to get forward whenever possible into the players without perhaps the caveat of not if 2-1 up in injury time.

As you say we will see over next half dozen games how it works through.

That doesn't really add up though, if you look at the goals conceded. The first and third goals were from corners. For the second goal, we had SIX players defending in the box. There were two players marking their left sided player who played the second last pass. None of those goals fit the stereotype being peddled about Ange Ball being kamikaze attack at the expense of defending.

What led to the first goal corner though? A 5 on 2 for Swansea after Cunha charged the length of the pitch.

But it's early days, we should've scored more and made a lot of changes.

I hope it starts to gel, but worry it won't. And it needs to quickly, we've lost 3 in a row if that becomes 5 or 6 in a row it's going to get ugly in the media, socals and probably on the ground too. He's not going to get cut any slack.

It might have led to a corner but it didn't lead to a goal. We lost the goal because of poor defending from a corner, not because of 'Angeball'.

You're going to have to get me to come back over. We haven't won a game since I left the country!

Spurs conceded lots of goals from corners in both his seasons there.

The defending in the last 20 minutes was really shit, which you'd hope it wouldn't have been with Williams, Murillo and Milenkovic on the pitch. Schoolboy stuff.

The last goal was especially poor. Cunha mis-controlled a long ball forward and then inexplicably ran it out for a throw-in near his own corner flag, rather than shoeing it up the line. A winner for Swansea sort of felt inevitable at that point.

I really enjoyed the second Forest goal, though. And the outcome feels like it would have been massively different in terms of general positivity had Kalimuendo been onside, Hudson-Odoi had found the bottom corner instead of the side netting, or Yates had played in McAtee instead of attempting a shot on his weaker foot from a difficult position. Fine margins, as one colossal knobhead used to say a lot.

Indeed. Imagine if Kalimuendo had scored. We likely win the game 3-0 and we're talking about an exciting game and how great it is that we've got 3 decent strikers etc. It's why, despite being generally negative as you all know, I'm trying to be positive about the performance and put it down to an absolute freak occurrence ... Least until I'm proven otherwise.

Fuck me, I might need to go and have a lie-down; I agree with Shady 100% (except the relegation shite in mid-September, obvs).

People are seeing what they want to see, and taking the shortest, laziest route. Forest concede goal? Must be Ange-ball (even if the concession was from a corner, which has absolutely nothing to do with high lines and/or over-committing up the pitch). When Murillo goes on a mazy run right up the pitch under Cooper or Nuno, it's "maverick Brazilian genius" (even if he gives the ball away, as obviously sometimes happens); when Cunha does it, "that's pure Angeball, right there".

I too am far from convinced that he is a good fit for us, but to write him off after 2 games (as quite a few have) is just mentalism. He needs a good 3 months to get to know the players, install what he wants in them, and take the team forward in the way he wants. If we're going to have a total meltdown every time anything goes wrong, we really are in for a long & tedious season.

I also don't buy this "he was insane to take off Jesus at half time" line, either (sorry, Chic). AP was, by his own admission, using the game to look at a number of players he had yet to see in a competitive game, and he really only had one game in which to do it. He has games coming up in rapid succession that are (with the greatest of respect to our Carabao Overlords) way more important than Swansea. It makes perfect sense to me that he said to Jesus & Kalimuendo "I'll give you 45 minutes each" - that way he doesn't knacker either of them before Burnley and/or Betis, gets to see both of them, manages expectations, and so on. But no, we have to catastrophise everything.

I actually didn't write what you quoted. I said it was weird he took off Jesus so early. I also said that Boly was the main culprit. I also said that we didn't manage the end of the game well. Nice to see that you still make stuff up in your head to proselytize.

Chicago: Reality star.

OK, so you didn't think it was insane to take Jesus off, you merely thought it was "weird". A distinction without much of a difference, frankly.

I think I got the gist pretty accurate, but whatever.