How do Forest become even more massive

Just musing. Theoretically, and long term, how could Forest start to compete with the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, City, Arsenal etc? Is there a pathway that it could happen? A ten minute post while bored in Scotland ....

Ground

We'd upgrade the CG, to let's say very optimistically, 65,000 over the next 5-8 years. That gives us a good amount of revenue from tickets. I guess alongside this we'd improve the corporate experience, so perhaps we start to pull in significant money from that too.

Sponsors

Maybe we break into Europe this year, and somehow keep doing so for the next 2-3 seasons. I presume the amount we are asking for shirt sponsors and all the other various sponsors opportunities grows massively. Maybe we rename the city ground.

Recruitment

For the next 5-6 years our recruitment is fucking perfect. We keep buying younger players and then selling 1-2 each year for decent profits - whilst maintaining the core quality group. Our European qualification and increased income allows us to attract a pretty high level of players.

Multi-club model

After buying 2 teams in Brazil, Marinakis now also purchases one of the top Nigerian teams. We're now seen as an established pathway for African and South American players to play in the PL and it becomes self-fulfilling.

Nottingham

The council do an excellent job at regenerating the city and HS2 is routed to Nottingham meaning London is now 50 minutes away by train. There's huge increases in investment and over the next 20 years Nottingham starts to become the capital of the Midlands. Birmingham is on the wane and Manchester eyes us nervously.

What else?

Look at the way Newcastle and Villa have found it impossible to compete while in Europe, it’s just not possible for Forest to compete with the clubs you’ve listed on a consistent basis. All those clubs’ financial advantages are too baked in.

I don't even think that works now theat PSR has pulled up the drawbridge behind the big guys.

Wasn't that brought in before City got taken over?

In what way are they baked in? As my fantasy list outlined, there are routes that get us there I think. They just take a bloody long time and are very unlikely. But I'm not sure it's impossible.

Can we not just sell more heroin?

Just win. And be less unlikeable than the other money doping clubs…

Chicago: Simple.

So, the plan is, do the things that other clubs have already done, from a position that is light years behind them, in a location which is much less commercially attractive to do them in?

Have you ever visited Nottingham, Jim? We are a medium-sized city of low to moderate affluence. Economically and politically, we struggle to get things done. The council is effectively bankrupt.

The London clubs operate from a global city. Manchester, although miles behind the capital, is probably the only other big English city to register internationally as a centre of development and investment. Liverpool is the outlier, benefitting from a 50-year history of success...

Everyone else is absolutely making up the numbers.

What I would say about Forest in 2024 is we have a much bigger fan base than we did when were last at this level in the 1990s. I don't know why that is, maybe just because the Premier League is bigger (but i think we'rebigger relative to other PL clubs than we were under Clark), also the metropolitan area around Nottingham has gone up in population, and we seem to have a bigger international fan base (perhaps a combo of foreign ownership, the international status of the premier league, high profile foreign players). We've grown as a club, probably by chance as much as design. I'd say we're a bigger club in terms of fan base than Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford, Leicester, Sheffield United, Norwich, Ipswich, Soton, Wolves, Palace, West Ham and we are probably pushing Everton but a little bit behind Villa.

Come on. I'm asking you to dream. How could it happen?

A.I.

"We're all living in a simulation."

Aliens.

Divine intervention.

We all neeeeeed

Just a little

Someone asked me if "Forest are the new Leicester now then, eh?" and before I knew what was going on the words, "Not really. I'd be delighted with 10th place, but we've done this before and had some sucess in the past. We've also paid our dues for any financial misdemeanors and are here on merit after years decades of struggling in the lower end of tbe 2nd tier and a spell in the third, but at least not screwing the system and local small businesses over, whereas Leicester are bunch of cheating cun... tossers, with an insufferably deluded and odious fanbase most of which have long since disappeared anyway" happened.

Then I felt bad, because they don't really follow football and were just trying to make polite conversation. So I feigned enthusiasm and interest in their Christmas plans and made idle chit chat about that to compensate.