• 30 Aug 2023, 10:44 a.m.

    I hoped that the UNHCR deal meant that we'd seen the light. Clearly not. We seem to have seen the money instead.

  • 30 Aug 2023, 10:46 a.m.

    Fair enough. Always felt to me like a stopgap until they found someone prepared to pay what they wanted.

  • 30 Aug 2023, 11:36 a.m.

    They're already sleeve sponsors for Palace and Villa aren't they?

    As mysterious far east 'sports' (betting) dodgy-some-sort-of-front-for-other-unlawful-nefarious-gains-laundering (possibly) firms go, does this one have a thing for ship clubs with unique names? Are Spurz are big enough to be above to be above that soort of thing now...

  • 30 Aug 2023, 12:04 p.m.

    They are also effectively the same company as fun88, sportpesa and stake among others, all of which sponsor or have recently sponsored premier league teams. As well as the mysterious 6686sport, whose branding started appearing in connection with Forest last season.

  • 30 Aug 2023, 1:36 p.m.

    As followers of a club that has been sponsored by several alcohol & betting companies in the past (plus Fawaz Fridges, obvs) and is owned by a rich man whose reputation is hardly 100% spotless in his own country, playing in a League / sport for which no form of prostitution is too low, provided it brings in the cash, I can’t bring myself to get all het up about who appears on the front of our shirts now. If you want to mount a high horse about the morals of it, fair enough, but you might be following the wrong sport…

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    30 Aug 2023, 2:25 p.m.

    It’s probably a better logo than the Goatsee refugee one. That’s not a high bar mind.

  • 30 Aug 2023, 4:22 p.m.

    I think this is a good and serious point. I do regularly wonder whether this is a sport I should be following, habits of a lifetime making it more drawn out than it should be, but... this is a tad different to any of those other sponsorship deals and whilst turning a blind eye is easy, I don't think a bit of awareness about your club is a bad thing if you are going to follow them.

    It's noticeable that even the club's own website can only muster an unnamed "club source" to comment on this sponsorship and that the company doing the sponsoring has managed to put forward a spokesman who seemingly doesn't even exist. The company itself may well be linked to organised crime and is certainly seeking to point at geographies where its products are illegal. It's not a good thing and putting that out there is worth doing, even if it feels like just another rotten mess in a rotten environment.

    Ultimately we all decide where to draw our lines and we probably all anaesthetise ourselves against this stuff to an extent and so come across as a bit hypocritical when we do say something against it, but this is a shit sponsorship.

  • 30 Aug 2023, 4:34 p.m.

    I like drinking, I have an account with a bookie although I don't gamble much, I happily drive a car powered by oil, and if criminality was the line in the sand then the time to walk was when Marinakis bought the club. I'm not sure that anyone still following a football club in the Premier League really has room left for moral positions on sponsors and/or owners, I don't think there's a single one that is clean.

  • 30 Aug 2023, 4:57 p.m.

    On the other hand, I think it's okay to have moral positions, while recognizing the need to live in a world that leaves you no real choice. It will inevitably make a hypocrite of you. If you demand an ideological purity, which can't ever exist, you are a fool, not an intellectual.

    We've all eaten cake, we will continue to eat cake, and crisps. We can also strive for a life where we generally eat better. It doesn't have to be cake and crisps for every meal because of one dietary failure.

  • 30 Aug 2023, 5:09 p.m.

    I think it was many years before that, if we are honest.

  • 31 Aug 2023, 1:13 a.m.

    Quite. Let’s not be like those right-wing blowhards saying ‘If you hate capitalism so much why are you tweeting about in on your iPhone?’.

    This is the world we inhabit and we can do what is in our power to make it more as we’d like, and not participate in aspects that make us uncomfortable, but ultimately we are insignificant little specks and depriving ourselves of the things we absolutely enjoy or need as a nod to some moral standard we have an inkling we should hold is dumb. We all gotta choose which battles we fight in.

    I don’t like all the shady money in football. I also don’t like the global meat industry. I’m vegetarian because the meat industry makes me sufficiently icky that I could not enjoy meat. Also, my opting out of meat, along with many others, does make a difference. I don’t feel icky supporting a team with a shady gambling company on their shirt… it doesn’t impact my enjoyment at all.. and my not watching them won’t make any difference to anything anyway.

  • 31 Aug 2023, 7:23 p.m.

    Apparently Mangala and Danilo are both injured. Mangala should be back after the international break, no word on Danilo.

  • 31 Aug 2023, 9:11 p.m.

    Danilo was there last night, but arrived after Pavilion Road closed, so his car had to drop him on Radcliffe Road and he was escorted head down hood up to the ground. I did ask for a photo with my children but he ignored it (he has form for this).