• 23 Aug 2025, 8:21 a.m.

    Suspect that's where you started from, and worked back from there. Certainly that's the best explanation for your shoddy argument.

    Cobblers, assumption, and projection.

    Being professional, in his role, is managing up and down, leading, speaking out, challenging, inspiring.

    Not keeping his head down and doing what he's told. This is one of the stupidest things you've said. Professional behaviour depends on the profession. It might involve being elbows deep in someone's brain - but only if you are a neurosurgeon. It's not professional behaviour for an actuary.

    Beef with Edu? Slap him down then homie. Fucks sake.

    What he has expressed is a departure and difference in recruitment profile, and a change in his role in regard to squad building.... With the consequence that his faith in what he has available to him, and support for his plans for the team, he feels have been deeply compromised.

    In one of the head down, do as you're told professions, where people have no agency, voice, or integrity, that might indeed involve keeping your head down and gulping down the shit. In one of the global leadership ones, not so much.

    (Projection) Well that's hardly his fault is it? Try thinking harder, it's not that complicated.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 9:44 a.m.

    I know you like to play the man and not the ball and are fond of telling us idiots to “actually read what I wrote.” So, in this case, I will politely suggest you do the same.

    At no point did I suggest he should not manage up or down, challenge, inspire or, indeed, speak out. At no point did I say he should “keep his head down and gulp down shit.” (I’ll ignore your neurosurgeon vs actuary comparison as it’s both vacuous and irrelevant in this context). So right back at you with you cobblers, assumption and projection.

    What I did say was that he should not have done so in public, particularly as it appears to have surprised the club (at least per some reports, e.g., Taylor and Dorsett). This is the unprofessional part. Most people in “global leadership roles” understand that things may not always be done in a way that you would choose and that there are people you’d rather not work with. They debate this internally and try and find solutions, even if that means negotiating an exit. They do not in front of the wider public as that simply erodes confidence and drives uncertainty. As is the case here. Going straight to the press is hardly ever conducive to a good outcome. You may think that it’s an acceptable way to behave but I’m willing to bet that in most professional situations, people would disagree. Why not discuss with Marinakis that you have beef wither Edu, or the concept of a DOF model (as one of these is clearly the root of the issue) and discuss if it can work and, if not, what the alternatives might be.

    Now, if there had been a moral or ethical issue (something akin to medical malpractice or financial fraud, to make better use of your neurosurgeon and actuary), and he had aired that grievance, I would be more sympathetic. But, this doesn’t appear to be the case.

    When I said I did not know what he was thinking, I was questioning his judgement in how (not why) he has gone about this. Any contract will have some sort of “bringing the club into disrepute” clause in it. If I went around slating my CEO and saying our relationship was no longer good, that there’s no smoke without fire etc., I would not expect to be treated as a good leaver.

    It’s not that complicated.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 10:08 a.m.

    There's a lot of assumption here, in terms of things that have or haven't been done.

    Rebuttal - the most 'professional' managers/coaches the game has ever known, manage up and down the chain using public comments as a tool. It's very much part of the job.

    P.S. I'm not defending anyone, or picking sides here. I'm just observing. I find it pretty childish that people can't look at the comments and conceive of some of the factors that might (we don't know) be involved. It is reasonable for an organisation to have a strategic change of direction, or a development into a future phase on reaching a set of objectives. It is reasonable for a key leader at the coal face, to want access to the tools to dig on their terms. These are not new tensions or dynamics within football clubs....they are ultimately resolved with change (strategy, or leader), which may or may not be effective either way.

    Personally I think a large part of our recent success has been not doing what everyone else is doing. I think pivoting to doing what everyone else is doing presents a greater hazard. I do not think it unreasonable that our practical leader, who is good at the thing that we are doing, and crap at the thing that we look like we might be doing, fights for the thing that he believes in.

    I do not think it unreasonable that the organisation, on balance, decides to go for the strategy they have developed, rather than what they might perceive as a transitory phase.

    I do not want us to take any path that leads to Postecoglou. I like him. It's funny when he's running another team. It wouldn't be funny if he was running ours.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 10:40 a.m.

    So, I think we can totally agree on Postecoglou.

    It’s an interesting point re rebuttal and public comments. It’s an unusual step for Nuno who is normally diplomatic to the point of anodyne. Had this been Mourinho, Clough, (even Billy Davies although he does not deserve to be in the same sentence as the other two), we would not be surprised. It’s just not Nuno’s style.

    You raise the (even) more interesting point about the evolution of the club and how that happens. The pithy phrase that corporate coaches like to use is “what got us here, won’t get us there.” I think that’s true to a degree. Clearly Marinakis likes disruptive, radical and rapid change to a point that I find a bit uncomfortable. That said, it’s effective; if you said to me 4 years ago that we’d be playing Europa League and would have a squad of this quality, I would have been very sceptical..

  • 23 Aug 2025, 11:03 a.m.

    8 years ago today we won 3-2 AET at Newcastle in the not Carabao then cup (Cummings 2, T Walker).
    9 years ago today we won 2-1 at South Bermondsey in the not Carabao then cup (Paterson, Veldwijk).

    Tomorrow we'll be maintaining our 100% start to our 4th Premiershipleague season in a row, Nuno will smile his smile and all will be well with the world. For a bit at least.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 11:22 a.m.

    You could argue that it's a tool that is more effective when deployed sparingly. In this case it has a last roll of the die air about it. I think given the characters involved it's not likely to be very effective. The problem, from a football perspective, is that it leads to potential hazards in the short term - Nuno might just crack on, and atrophy some of the talent that we have recruited from under-utilisation, with plan A being not as effective due to sub-optimal tools. He might not, we get another one, and it not work out (as it hasn't worked out for Wet Hams currently, and multiple others over time). It might work out, and we become a brighton-a-like for a bit. Even staying the same with ideal tools has a hazard level, as there is a sign the league as a whole is re-adjusting to deal with more direct play.

    Really the only options are be an established historical big club, be a financially pre-doped modern sold out club, or develop alliances and be creative with the rules around the periphery of sporting integrity, or eventually implode under impossible financial constraints and ultimately tank.

    The first two options are not available to us.

    There is a tendency amongst most fans to believe that there is a clear path to 'success', and that is a simple process. I do not believe that to be the case. The only real question is do you ride the wave while it's working, and change when it isn't, or change having made ground, before you lose it. There will be casualties.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 12:19 p.m.

    So it appears not much happened yesterday when I was disconnected from the world for 9 hours…

  • 23 Aug 2025, 12:23 p.m.

    In part, that depends on level of ambition. Mine was to be in the solid mid-table camp with the occasional cup run/win; possibly Conference League qualification but free from relegation worries etc (“staying the same”). Some people might now see us as part of the camp that’s nibbling at the legs of the SkyBig6 (improvement). Marinakis clearly eyes a higher ambition and is taking an approach to achieve that (involving your third option) Is he deluded, i.e., will it lead to your 4th option? We can’t answer….yet. Whatever the outcome, it’s definitely not staying the same.

    In purely footballing terms, this is the strongest squad for decades and there looks to be an ambition to play a different style than last term. Marinakis’ view of the structure and approach that enables those things is clearly different to Nuno’s (and others). There is a narrative that he should stay in his lane and not try to upset the hegemony or the behaviours that the English football establishment deem appropriate to a club of our size. It doesn’t take a genius to assume that this attitude results in a big “Fuck You” from Marinakis. Nuno’s dilemma is whether he stays hitched to the disruptor or whether he cuts loose (or gets cut) to maximise his chances of a future career amongst the clubs who prefer a more conventional approach.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 1:13 p.m.

    This is the thing that I least like the thought of. I think when a team gets the ball that they should try to score. I don't find dicking about with it for ages going nowhere, preferable, nor stylistically superior.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 1:47 p.m.

    You would be king of the playground and found out when the bigger boys came to play. As happened to us last season.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 1:52 p.m.

    What happened last season was that we substantially over-performed relative to our resources. A big part of that was trying to actually score.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 2:40 p.m.

    I don’t sense we are dicking around with it for ages. Based on last weeks performance, at least. But we are looking to have more of the ball and be creative with it in different ways rather than just breaking at pace having defended for large chunks of the game. Last year when we had the ball and teams sat back, we weren’t able to be particularly creative.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 2:41 p.m.

    I meant the direction of the overall strategy, not this current coach right now.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 4:25 p.m.

    So we did kick ball forward well but now we need to evolve because we got found out? I agree.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 4:44 p.m.

    Our weaknesses were spotted, particularly when tired and shagged out after a particularly long squawk. We need better personnel, to get less run over without the ball, over a longer period of time. That doesn't mean that kicking the ball forward and trying to score has suddenly become a bad idea.

  • 23 Aug 2025, 6:31 p.m.

    So do more of what the opposition expects with more energy as infinitum?