Nuno also got more points per game and more goals per game than Cooper with the same bunch of players in the same season. There's no real evidence to support the proposition that Cooper is a better Head Coach, but there is some to the contrary. I also don't buy the fact that the likes of MGW and CHO are only here because of Cooper, if you hear them speak about Nuno and the clear warmth and respect they have for him it is clear to me they aren't missing Cooper at all (NB this doesn't mean I don't think Cooper is a great manager and a great guy, I do. But I think Nuno is really good too and that's why he's had the career he's had. It took me a while to get this but I think from what I've seen and heard now it's reasonably clear and as someone else said what he has done with Wood and what Cooper failed to do is a good example illustration. For me what has really confirmed my view is our performances against City and Chelsea at home though - we didn't play like that against any opposition of that quality under Cooper it was all sit back and break but we showed in those two games we can be much better than that - I know we lost them but that's not the point, carry on like that and we will be winning those sorts of games one day and [crucially] we will be winning some away too which Cooper never cracked)
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You mean apart from that time when Nuno got Wolves promoted, signed 26 players in their first season in the Premier League of which exactly 2 had experience at the level, and finished 7th and qualified for Europe? Sounds like something only Steve Cooper could do.
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Who did forest already have at the club that was of the equivalent quality of Neves, Jota, or even Wily Boly?
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Brennan Johnson, Ryan Yates, Bruce Samba. You're slightly shifting the ground from Russ's point though, deliberately no doubt because it's a good one. Nuno has achieved every bit as much and more in the game than Cooper.
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Just to be clear we are saying it is better to lose games than draw games as long as you look better doing it.
If only football had points awarded for style like ice dancing as well as actual results, we'd be top for sure.
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No. I'm saying barely ever being able to win away is not going to lead to success and the bravery to play good football against good teams will.
But your point doesn't make sense even on its own terms, because Nuno won more games than Cooper did anyway. If you disagree, explain that one. He scored more per game, got more points per game, with the same players.
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To be clear, I'm of the view it's better to go out with the intent to win a game than to shut up shop from minute 1 and hope to nick it. I vastly prefer the bravery of attempting to assert yourself on a game, to telling the players and the fans and the opposition through your selection and your tactics that you don't think your team is as good as their opponents.
I'm really happy to keep the many happy memories of the Steve Cooper era as such and not have to keep revisiting its failings that eventually led to his dismissal, but it would also be nice if we didn't keep retconning the story to make him a hard done by genius who was unfairly dismissed as a result of the machiavellian manoeuvrings of shadowy super agents and dimwitted scions.
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It would be nice if we weren't constantly force fed non-contextual analysis,
seemingly driven by a desire to embrace the official narrative, relying on dimwitted bare stats and idiotic comparisons. But in a discussion forum we are all just going to have to exhibit tolerance, and prepare to be exposed to other ideas and views. Or fuck off. -
Can we just make sure we don't forget that Tricky never wanted SSC in the first place. In Tricky's kingdom, we'd have stuck with Chris Hughton. Proper fruitcake stuff!
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You mean like "Steve Cooper did this miraculous thing that Nuno could never have done except for that time when he did"?
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Two years ago today:
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I think Wolves' foundations were stronger than ours when they came up. Champions by miles, as I recall, and looking at their team from that promotion season, they appear to have had Doherty, Boly, Neves, Coady, Jota and Saiss in place already - plus I think Helder Costa and Cavaleiro I think contributed first season up as well - which I think is the point tricky was making.
Still, 7th was impressive.
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Except that he didn't. As I explained with one simple sentence.
It's hardly my fault if you can't understand the difference, is it?
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Top marks for Mbe Soh and Mighten for being so prominent in that photo. (And is that Bong between Mighten and Grabban?)
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Still not seeing anybody who is in the Cooper camp in the Cooper vs Nuno debate explain why they think Cooper was better when Nuno scored more goals, won more points per game, conceded exactly the same amount of goals. Nuno got more out of exactly the same team and, even if Cooper is more likeable and charismatic, that simply is what it is, no spin.
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Trolling.
Unfortunately no two managers can be in charge of our team, while playing against identical teams, in exactly the same moment, at exactly same time, with exactly the same status of our players ( form fitness physical development experience state of mind private situation contract status ).
So any attributed reductive numerical measure is of no real, err, value. As you know.
