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Jeff_Albertson
11 May 2023
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    Jeff_Albertson
    Squad 1231 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 9:30 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 9:30 p.m.
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    More dodgy shenanigans…
    www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/03/nottingham-forest-face-questions-over-jonjo-shelveys-confused-exit-from-club?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 9:32 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 9:32 p.m.
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    70k a week, 2 years left on his contract, £7M payoff ?

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 9:53 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 9:53 p.m.
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    The statement from Forest about FFP in that Guardian article reads as we have broken the rules but our defence is that the rules are only really guidelines.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2207 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 10:07 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 10:07 p.m.
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    @steve can I ask, from the tone of some of your posts, is there at least a part of you that is hoping Forest have fucked up and get punished?

    Mangetout and Russ like this.

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    JimShady
    Squad 3857 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 10:10 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 10:10 p.m.
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    @steve has written:

    70k a week, 2 years left on his contract, £7M payoff ?

    This would really fuck up ffp you'd think. Please don't let fucking Jonjo Shelves be the reason we fail the ffp limits.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2427 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 10:21 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 10:21 p.m.
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    Shelvey accidentally fcuking the club over would be somewhat filthy but poetic. It would be a different financial year though, eh?

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 10:23 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 10:23 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:

    @steve can I ask, from the tone of some of your posts, is there at least a part of you that is hoping Forest have fucked up and get punished?

    No, I don't. But it is the one thing I thought they had a handle on, so I'm not happy that they seemingly don't.

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    Mangetout
    Squad 2427 posts
    3 Jan 2024, 10:25 p.m. 3 Jan 2024, 10:25 p.m.
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    If we fouled up (without mitigation over the Johnno deal) then we should be punished. And if we did then it's deeply pathetic.

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    Seven
    Squad 1466 posts
    4 Jan 2024, 8:28 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 8:28 a.m.
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    @JimShady has written:
    @steve has written:

    70k a week, 2 years left on his contract, £7M payoff ?

    This would really fuck up ffp you'd think. Please don't let fucking Jonjo Shelves be the reason we fail the ffp limits.

    Isn’t it a different year though? I thought the issues were up to June 30.

    And I highly doubt his contract was fully paid up.

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    Ingo
    Squad 2654 posts
    4 Jan 2024, 8:49 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 8:49 a.m.
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    Until Man City are stripped of everything FFP is a sham. They wont be because they will just lawyer it out or plea bargain some phoney sanction. So, now we have not only a system that protects the Status Quo but also one that if you mega-cheat you can bypass with impunity. Brilliant.

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    tricky
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    4 Jan 2024, 8:52 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 8:52 a.m.
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    You don't still care about the premiershit do you? That thing designed to exploit the pyramid, then destroy it, having passed all the cash to the top clubs, so that nobody else can compete.

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    Lessred
    Squad 2066 posts
    4 Jan 2024, 8:55 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 8:55 a.m.
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    @Seven has written:
    @JimShady has written:

    [quote="@steve"]
    70k a week, 2 years left on his contract, £7M payoff ?

    This would really fuck up ffp you'd think. Please don't let fucking Jonjo Shelves be the reason we fail the ffp limits.

    Also the FFP hit (at worst) will be to bring forward one years wages as the current years wages would be included anyway - we don't know the deal done, or any loan fee. I would guess the Brennan money means that FFP isn't an issue for the current year.

    What's more concerning to me is why we don't seem to have corrected that it wasn't a loan and does that have any regulatory implications?

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    noodle
    Squad 999 posts
    4 Jan 2024, 10:08 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 10:08 a.m.
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    @Lessred has written:

    What's more concerning to me is why we don't seem to have corrected that it wasn't a loan and does that have any regulatory implications?

    Well if the background paperwork was always a transfer etc, the fact that the PR wasn’t updated won’t matter.

    Wasn’t there also some confusion over Freuler’s move and whether he’s gone on a permanent deal or not?

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    Simon
    Squad 6626 posts
    4 Jan 2024, 10:19 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 10:19 a.m.
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    @noodle has written:

    Well if the background paperwork was always a transfer etc, the fact that the PR wasn’t updated won’t matter.

    Wasn’t there also some confusion over Freuler’s move and whether he’s gone on a permanent deal or not?

    I think someone worked out that if all our reported overseas loans were actually loans, we'd be over the limit (of 7?), so one of them couldn't be (assuming the club know the rules and/or the FA wouldn't let us be in breach). Freuler was reported as loan with an obligation to buy(?), so the assumption was that he was the one that didn't count as a loan. Clearly now it was Shelvey who was misreported.

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    tricky
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    4 Jan 2024, 10:27 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 10:27 a.m.
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    Or correctly reported, but subsequently reallocated subject to need?

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    Jeff_Albertson
    Squad 1231 posts
    4 Jan 2024, 11:21 a.m. 4 Jan 2024, 11:21 a.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    I think someone worked out that if all our reported overseas loans were actually loans, we'd be over the limit (of 7?), so one of them couldn't be (assuming the club know the rules and/or the FA wouldn't let us be in breach). Freuler was reported as loan with an obligation to buy(?), so the assumption was that he was the one that didn't count as a loan. Clearly now it was Shelvey who was misreported.

    Laryea, Dennis, Mbe Soh, Richards, Mighten, Freuler (?).
    Does Donnelly count as an overseas loan as he's outside the FA, in Scotland?
    (Plus Back, Panzo, Hammond, O'Brien, Bowler, Taylor, Hwang at English (and Welsh) clubs)

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