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Jeff_Albertson
11 May 2023
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    Dave_Rave
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    7 Dec 2023, 2:48 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 2:48 p.m.
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    Daily Mail, so pinches of salt may be required.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12837427/Nottingham-Forest-banish-club-captain-Joe-Worrall-Scott-McKenna-training.html

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    7 Dec 2023, 2:55 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 2:55 p.m.
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    This does seem an odd one. It appears something has gone on between Worrall and Cooper, which is sad if it has as it seems out of character for both of them.

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    dj_bobbins
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    7 Dec 2023, 2:56 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 2:56 p.m.
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    That seems an odd way to treat the club captain if there has been no row. Story doesn't quite stack up.

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    Russ
    Squad 6436 posts
    7 Dec 2023, 3 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 3 p.m.
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    I doubt it really matters. The new manager will give everyone a clean slate next week.

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    7 Dec 2023, 3:08 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 3:08 p.m.
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    It does seem the way under Marinakis that once you don't fit you have to clear out. Didn't Worrall sign a new contract recently, partly I thought to retain some sale value? This must devalue him.

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    Russ
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    7 Dec 2023, 3:09 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 3:09 p.m.
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    @steve has written:

    It does seem the way under Marinakis that once you don't fit you have to clear out. Didn't Worrall sign a new contract recently, partly I thought to retain some sale value? This must devalue him.

    Championship teams will be fighting each other to give us a few million for him, and rightly so.

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    Seven
    Squad 1462 posts
    7 Dec 2023, 3:18 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 3:18 p.m.
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    @dj_bobbins has written:

    That seems an odd way to treat the club captain if there has been no row. Story doesn't quite stack up.

    There was stuff on social media a couple of weeks ago saying that Worrall was bad mouthing Cooper in the Larwood.

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    Seven
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    7 Dec 2023, 3:19 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 3:19 p.m.
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    @steve has written:

    It does seem the way under Marinakis that once you don't fit you have to clear out. Didn't Worrall sign a new contract recently, partly I thought to retain some sale value? This must devalue him.

    Are you suggesting Marinakis is behind it?

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    steve
    Squad 552 posts
    7 Dec 2023, 3:31 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 3:31 p.m.
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    I've no idea what's gone on. Just acknowledging that you do seem to be either in or out at Forest these days.

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    Simon
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    7 Dec 2023, 3:58 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 3:58 p.m.
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    @Dave_Rave has written:

    Daily Mail, so pinches of salt may be required.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12837427/Nottingham-Forest-banish-club-captain-Joe-Worrall-Scott-McKenna-training.html

    Percy reporting the same: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/12/07/steve-cooper-joe-worrall-nottingham-forest-captain/

    Although the headline - "Steve Cooper under scrutiny after freezing out Nottingham Forest captain Joe Worrall" does seem an odd framing. Correlation is not causation, John.

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    Simon
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    7 Dec 2023, 4:07 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 4:07 p.m.
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    Does speak volumes that we've had 5(?) starting captains in 15 games - Worrall, Yates, Aurier, Felipe and Gibbs-White.

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    Guru
    Squad 1369 posts
    7 Dec 2023, 4:24 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 4:24 p.m.
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    @Simon has written:
    @Dave_Rave has written:

    Daily Mail, so pinches of salt may be required.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12837427/Nottingham-Forest-banish-club-captain-Joe-Worrall-Scott-McKenna-training.html

    Percy reporting the same: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/12/07/steve-cooper-joe-worrall-nottingham-forest-captain/

    Although the headline - "Steve Cooper under scrutiny after freezing out Nottingham Forest captain Joe Worrall" does seem an odd framing. Correlation is not causation, John.

    There has been some story that after he was dropped from the squad that he had a massive strop and didn’t turn up to something. If so, freezing out is fairly standard procedure.

    Of course, perfect Steve can do no wrong, so it must be Marinakis’ fault.

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    tricky
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    7 Dec 2023, 4:28 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 4:28 p.m.
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    @Guru has written:

    Of course, perfect Steve can do no wrong, so it must be Marinakis’ fault.

    You seem to have caught a nasty froth there. If that doesn't clear up, you should see a doctor.

    I don't mean just at bedtime.

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    dj_bobbins
    Squad 895 posts
    7 Dec 2023, 4:40 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 4:40 p.m.
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    @Simon has written:
    @Dave_Rave has written:

    Daily Mail, so pinches of salt may be required.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12837427/Nottingham-Forest-banish-club-captain-Joe-Worrall-Scott-McKenna-training.html

    Percy reporting the same: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/12/07/steve-cooper-joe-worrall-nottingham-forest-captain/

    Although the headline - "Steve Cooper under scrutiny after freezing out Nottingham Forest captain Joe Worrall" does seem an odd framing. Correlation is not causation, John.

    Does the Telegraph article give any more clues as to the reasons?

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    tricky
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    7 Dec 2023, 4:42 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 4:42 p.m.
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    Wouldn't agree to go to Olympiakos?

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    Simon
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    7 Dec 2023, 4:44 p.m. 7 Dec 2023, 4:44 p.m.
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    @dj_bobbins has written:

    Does the Telegraph article give any more clues as to the reasons?

    Not unless you can discern something from this:

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    It has also emerged that Worrall, the defender, has been instructed to train with Scotland international Scott McKenna in a separate group away from the first-team.

    Worrall and McKenna were two of Forest’s promotion heroes in the 2021/22 season and are now training together, seemingly out of Cooper’s plans.

    McKenna’s situation is understood to be linked to a contract dispute which occurred before the 2-0 defeat at Manchester City on September 23. Marinakis has a fractious relationship with McKenna’s agent, who also looks after discarded Forest midfielder Harry Arter.

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