• 8 Dec 2023, 12:01 a.m.

    You seriously think that Villa's squad when Emery took over is directly comparable to ours now?

    That's some bombshell, and goes a long way to explaining why you are talking such complete nonsense.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 12:18 a.m.

    I also don't agree that Forest are anywhere near Villa in terms of the size of their commercial operations, and therefore their capacity to sustain higher budgets for FFP purposes.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 12:23 a.m.

    Yes, I think the underperforming squad that was 16th in the league has some similarities to the underperforming squad that is currently 16th in the league.

    You also thought that the squad that was bottom of the Championship after 7 games with 1 point was doing about as well as it was capable of, if we're on the topic of talking nonsense.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 12:24 a.m.

    According to this, Villa's payroll is 117 million pounds per annum, while ours is 71 million.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 12:29 a.m.

    a) we're talking about last season, when they had a colossally bloated squad;

    b) Capology is complete guesswork; and

    c) if payroll were an indicator of success then we'd have been promoted years ago, Man U would have a lot more recent titles, and Brighton and Brentford would have been relegated long before now.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 8:40 a.m.

    I didn't say payroll was an indicator of success. My point was that Villa are a bigger club than us, able to run with a larger budget, and therefore better able to recruit someone like Unai Emery.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 9:10 a.m.

    There's no point arguing with idiots. You drag people down to your level, then beat them for experience. I just hope for your sake that you really don't believe in this demonstrable simplistic crap.

    As ever, you might have missed a bit of nuance. Or the blindingly obvious things in front of your face.

    I didn't think that. I thought that the manager who had created the platform for Brighton's status, was a good one who deserved more time.

    And the squad wasn't good enough. The extraordinary contribution of seven loans was pivotal in our success. As well as Cooper, who is an extraordinary coach at succeeding with the most difficult of change management. As I have recognised, and conceded the change was of great benefit ( not that we can ever be certain in an alternative universe).

    And don't tell people what they think, when you aren't very often correct. Try to concentrate on making your own arguments less transparently stupid.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 10:49 a.m.

    The Athletic, well Daniel Taylor ran a Q and A last night.

    Keys points:

    Relationship with Cooper has been strained for some time.

    Has been reluctant to sack him due to knowing it would make him unpopular

    Marco Silva would be number 1 choice but seems unlikely. He had a £6m release clause in old contract.

    Have been in contact with Oliver Glasners reps for some time (DT stresses this is very normal, all clubs will have ideas of who to replace managers with).

    Lopetigui still lives in England and wants a PL job. Has been to a Forest game this year.

    Cooper has fell out with Worrall

    Ayew, Shelvey and Wood were all Cooper signings

    Is certain the new stand will happen, Tom Cartledge very much getting things done and partly why he is now chairman.

  • 8 Dec 2023, noon

    Do we need another 'we love Fawaz day'? I forget it's exact date.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 12:24 p.m.

    I didn't get a place on the new "fan advisory board". Made the final eight from more than 250 applications though.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 12:38 p.m.

    Maybe you should replace Cooper if you're capable of breaking into the top 8.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 12:54 p.m.

    Seems like it's some sort of crime against talkback for not nobbling the opposition. Our esteemed owner would have surely approved as well.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 2:06 p.m.

    You might want to consider your own advice about playing the ball and not the man here, lest you risk making yourself look a little hypocritical.

    This is becoming a bit of a circular argument, but the similarities to Villa pre-Emery are clearly there - we're not a carbon copy, and if you want you can look at their squad and argue that Watkins is better than Taiwo due to his ability to play more than half a dozen games in a row before missing a third of the season, and that Leander Dendoncker is better than Ibrahim Sangare because he played two seasons for Wolves, and so on and so forth, but it would be to miss the point. Structurally, Villa's squad was a bloated mess of homegrown players and expensive imports, the manager was struggling to find a settled XI and a consistent style of play that allowed players to interchange, they were putting a different team out every weekend, and they were unable to keep a clean sheet.

    Now, I'm not comparing Cooper to Gerrard because I don't think anyone would try and make a sensible argument that Gerrard is anything close to Cooper as a coach, but for whatever reason Cooper is struggling to figure out how to move this team forward and has eschewed the pragmatism of last season in the apparently increasingly desperate hope that his preferred 4-3-3 is going to suddenly click with whichever personnel group his random team generator has come up with this week. The reality of football though is that a manager reaches the end of his shelf life with a team, sometimes that takes 6 months, on very rare and incredibly successful occasions it's 2 decades, and most of the time it's a couple of years. No one is doubting Steve's commitment to the club and no one is going to be happy to see him leave, but I'm very much with Guru on this one - the support for him is born almost entirely out of sentiment at this point, because if he had taken a huge job elsewhere in the summer and we were watching this level of performance from his replacement the fans would be howling for blood. So the question is whether we think that Cooper is going to turn this around or if a fresh set of eyes and a fresh voice in the room could make the difference before we get sucked into the relegation fight, just as Cooper himself did a little over two years ago, and just as Emery did this time last season.

    Also, I do think that Forest fans have got themselves a little bit of Stockholm Syndrome. I think I have it as well, with my continued interest in Championship football; we've been stuck in the swamp with all the other shit dwellers for so long that we forget that we're actually a really fucking big club, a huge draw for players and managers alike, and have an almost limitless ceiling to where we could be. We've got used to telling ourselves that we're just a middling provincial club that caught lightning in a bottle 45 years ago, in order to justify the fact that we've been shit for so long. That manifests itself as "we can't get rid of X manager or Y player because we'll never be able to get anything better". The fact is that quality managers will be falling over themselves to take this job, because we're a Premier League club with ownership that isn't just here to finish 17th and has a proven willingness to spend commensurately with those ambitions. I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see the Marco Silva thing have legs - we're a more attractive proposition than Fulham who are very much at their ceiling, and he already did a good job for Marinakis at Olympiacos previously.

    We finally have an owner with ambition and an unwillingness to forgive continued failure, so we shouldn't complain when there's a chance he might show those things.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 2:11 p.m.

    Is Marco Silva that good? He's done well with Fulham but took Hull down, was gruesomely disloyal to Watford (but fair enough) and not good at all at Everton.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 2:13 p.m.

    I honestly don't know. I wasn't making a case for him, just pointing out his successful history with Marinakis at Oly. Although to belabour the point somewhat, previous failure at Premier League level is not an indicator of future suitability q.v. Unai Emery.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 2:20 p.m.

    Yes, but the debate is surely has Cooper reached that point? Most of the time, it's a couple of years, but is that optimal? Are owners doing something at the moment of panic, rather than being seen to do nothing?

    I don't want to see us get relegated. Do I see sacking Cooper as increasing our chances of not getting relegated? No, I'm not sure I do.

    Did Southampton sack Hasenhuttl too soon or not soon enough?

  • 8 Dec 2023, 2:22 p.m.

    That's a fair position. I can honestly fall on either side of the argument right now, but I am desperate to see some kind of evidence of progress because through the first third of this season it feels like we've actually regressed from last year.

    I think Southampton's issue was less about when they sacked Hassenhutl, and more to do with who they replaced him with.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 2:31 p.m.

    Yes, I guess this is why I find these debates so pointless. "Sack Cooper" is a dumb position to hold because it assumes any replacement will be an improvement. "Replace Cooper with Silva/Lopetegui/Gerrard" is at least a point for debate.

  • 8 Dec 2023, 3:48 p.m.

    5 years ago today we lost 1-0 at home to Preston Nob End.