• 2 months ago

    But what if the alternative is the premier League running it.

    I don't buy your argument, the regulator isn't going to be the shit show that is Trump.

  • Russlens
    2 months ago

    I already talked fairly extensively about the alternative. As is usually the best solution to this kind of issue, find the compromise that no one is happy with.

    The regulator as proposed is absolutely going to be a disaster for football. It will hand the power of regulating the sport to the most political (small p and big P) organisation there is. The Premier League makes decisions that benefit the Premier League at the expense of the rest of football, but a government regulator will make decisions that benefit the government and absolutely no one in football. The only reason people like this approach is because they're not using the most basic level of critical thinking and just assuming that bad for the Premier League = good for football. 14 years of Conservative government should have taught you that that equation doesn't work.

  • 2 months ago

    Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they have no critical thinking. Your opinion isn't the only correct one.

    I think leaving control in the hands of the premier League will lead to them killing the golden goose (see city bullying the league to get their own way). Whilst it is a weak premier League then eventually the big clubs will get even more of their own way. There is only one way of travel in the current situation, more power and wealth to the big clubs

    It may well be that we are already too far down the road. I can't see any body, without statutory authority, being anything other than bullied by the state owned, hedge fund owned and billionaire owned clubs. It may be the same is true of the independent regulator, but at least there is a chance.

    And, on a more petty level, anything the Times sports pages are so against can't be all bad

  • Russlens
    2 months ago

    Like I said. Trump voter mentality.

    Make an argument for why the proposed alternative is going to work, beyond "it can't be worse than the current model". It can and that's a specious argument.

  • trickylens
    2 months ago

    Unless you can explain what an independent regulator is independent of, what it's stakeholder objectives are, and where it gains it's powers from, then it's really just buzzword bingo. Right up there with public enquires in the chocolate fireguard stakes. That's before we even get in to 'who regulates the regulator'.

  • 2 months ago

    As I said, because, in my view, the only way to be able to defeat the vested interests is in a statutory body.

    A body that has the authority to impose solutions on the parties who won't agree. As it was described on TPOF it is a binary solution, to, as last resort, impose one of the two arguments on the other side. Whilst not perfect, this at least gives the football league some authority in the negotiation, stopping it being one way traffic. It should also stop both sides making completely ridiculous offers as it is in their interest to come to an agreement, as they may lose out on a forced decision.

  • trickylens
    2 months ago

    You've had that. You just don't buy it because your mind is warped against public accountability. To recap - a legislative body, tied to the democratic process, is ultimately accountable to the society that votes for it.

  • 2 months ago

    I take it as being independent of football. But they mean independent of government too. But I think I am more skeptical of that. I think it will be independent, but it would be naive to believe it would be completely independent

  • trickylens
    2 months ago

    If it's independent the Saudi's will buy it.

    Your move.

  • Russlens
    2 months ago

    Yeah, how has that been working out for you the last couple of decades?

  • trickylens
    2 months ago

    Slightly better than the alternative?

    The problem isn't with the principle, it's with how we work the process.

  • chicagopanorama_fish_eye
    2 months ago

    Europe needs to step up

    Yeah I know you lot are taking football but this has me so worried. It’s time to European countries to step up. NATO looks done. The U.S. has sold out to the highest bidder and lethargy needs to be dissolved. Or we could just watch the football whilst the world burns..

    Chicago: Losing my religion.

  • 2 months ago

    It seems clear we are going to see increased military spending across Europe. Presumably there has to be some sort of co operation, but no idea how that would work

  • trickylens
    2 months ago

    I imagine it's come as a massive surprise, to those who don't actually read talkback, that the russians are probably behind the global fascist movement after all.

  • trickylens
    2 months ago

    I see that Putin is saying that governments he doesn't currently fully control can't be involved in peace talks regarding the Ukraine war. Nor Ukraine.

  • Jakepanorama_fish_eye
    2 months ago
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