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tricky
25 Apr 2023
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    JimShady
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    19 Jun 2024, 8:26 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 8:26 a.m.
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    Again, for what?

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    Simon
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    19 Jun 2024, 8:34 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 8:34 a.m.
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    I'd imagine he thinks that by drawing attention to bad driver behaviour he can improve driving standards to some degree.

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    BrettWilliams
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    19 Jun 2024, 8:50 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 8:50 a.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    I'd imagine he thinks that by drawing attention to bad driver behaviour he can improve driving standards to some degree.

    Which, in itself, is clearly a good thing. I'm just not convinced he's going about it the most effective way.

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    JimShady
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    19 Jun 2024, 9:11 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 9:11 a.m.
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    Someone seriously injured by a driver every 16 minutes in the UK (and it's increasing).

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    BrettWilliams
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    19 Jun 2024, 9:20 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 9:20 a.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    Someone seriously injured by a driver every 16 minutes in the UK (and it's increasing).

    Quite, and why it's important to highlight and campaign. Like Vine is doing.

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    Simon
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    19 Jun 2024, 9:27 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 9:27 a.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    Someone seriously injured by a driver every 16 minutes in the UK (and it's increasing).

    Aren't we about the best in the world for road deaths and injuries?

    And, according to this: www.brake.org.uk/get-involved/take-action/mybrake/knowledge-centre/uk-road-safety#:~:text=Road%20deaths%20and%20serious%20injuries,close%20to%20pre%2Dpandemic%20levels. It's up from 2021 to 2022 but basically flat otherwise

    This is spectacularly good: ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-road-incidents?tab=chart&country=~GBR

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    Ingo
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    19 Jun 2024, 9:36 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 9:36 a.m.
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    @BrettWilliams has written:
    @JimShady has written:

    Someone seriously injured by a driver every 16 minutes in the UK (and it's increasing).

    Quite, and why it's important to highlight and campaign. Like Vine is doing.

    No no no, Vine should be doing it Mince's way, whatever the fuck that is.

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    tricky
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    19 Jun 2024, 10:05 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 10:05 a.m.
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    Other road users attitude to cyclists is broadly terrible, and often dangerous. I've been run off the road several times. Only once by another cyclist. A seven year old with stabilisers.

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    Ingo
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    19 Jun 2024, 10:11 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 10:11 a.m.
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    How is your brother these days?

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    JimShady
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    19 Jun 2024, 11:34 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 11:34 a.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    Aren't we about the best in the world for road deaths and injuries?

    If you think 5 people a day is 'good' then sure. The amount of press coverage someone getting hit by a cyclist or an e-scooter gets is totally disproportionate to the coverage drivers killing and injuring people gets. I can't think of anything else in society where we just accept that 5 people a day dying is acceptable. Imagine if 2 people a day were dying on the tube what the reaction would be and what would be done about it (except for Ingo celebrating cockneys getting their due comeuppance).

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    Simon
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    19 Jun 2024, 11:46 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 11:46 a.m.
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    @JimShady has written:
    @Simon has written:

    Aren't we about the best in the world for road deaths and injuries?

    If you think 5 people a day is 'good' then sure. The amount of press coverage someone getting hit by a cyclist or an e-scooter gets is totally disproportionate to the coverage drivers killing and injuring people gets. I can't think of anything else in society where we just accept that 5 people a day dying is acceptable. Imagine if 2 people a day were dying on the tube what the reaction would be and what would be done about it (except for Ingo celebrating cockneys getting their due comeuppance).

    I didn't say it was "good", I said it was "about the best". Driving has an inherent danger associated with it - it's a big heavy thing capable of moving at high speed by fallible humans, I'm afraid some people are going to die and there's a trade off with the benefit of flexible transport. The chart above shows a decline in the number of deaths over the last 40 years that is, frankly, remarkable. Especially once you allow for how many more cars there are on the road nowadays.

    Fuck load more people die of heart disease and cancer but we still allow smoking (205 a day: digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/statistics-on-public-health/2021/part-2-mortality) and all measure of other unhealthy things.

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    Guru
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    19 Jun 2024, 11:52 a.m. 19 Jun 2024, 11:52 a.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    Aren't we about the best in the world for road deaths and injuries?

    And, according to this: www.brake.org.uk/get-involved/take-action/mybrake/knowledge-centre/uk-road-safety#:~:text=Road%20deaths%20and%20serious%20injuries,close%20to%20pre%2Dpandemic%20levels. It's up from 2021 to 2022 but basically flat otherwise

    This is spectacularly good: ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-road-incidents?tab=chart&country=~GBR

    For some reason, your post reminded me of This Rowan Atkinson sketch

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    JimShady
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    19 Jun 2024, noon 19 Jun 2024, noon
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    @Simon has written:
    @JimShady has written:

    Someone seriously injured by a driver every 16 minutes in the UK (and it's increasing).

    Aren't we about the best in the world for road deaths and injuries?

    And, according to this: www.brake.org.uk/get-involved/take-action/mybrake/knowledge-centre/uk-road-safety#:~:text=Road%20deaths%20and%20serious%20injuries,close%20to%20pre%2Dpandemic%20levels. It's up from 2021 to 2022 but basically flat otherwise

    This is spectacularly good: ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-road-incidents?tab=chart&country=~GBR

    I don't have time to dig into the stats right now, but I imagine road deaths are down due to the safety features of vehicles increasing (hitting something in a massive SUV is safer for the driver than hitting something in a tiny VW Polo), and average road speeds decreasing due to increased traffic on the roads. Neither of which do much for the safety of the rest of us trying to get about (and in the former make things considerably worse).

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    Ingo
    Squad 2647 posts
    19 Jun 2024, 12:28 p.m. 19 Jun 2024, 12:28 p.m.
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    I don't have time to dig into the stats right now but I won't let that stand in the way of spouting any old shit that comes into my head.

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    JimShady
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    19 Jun 2024, 12:31 p.m. 19 Jun 2024, 12:31 p.m.
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    Such is the way!

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    Simon
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    19 Jun 2024, 12:38 p.m. 19 Jun 2024, 12:38 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    I don't have time to dig into the stats right now, but I imagine road deaths are down due to the safety features of vehicles increasing (hitting something in a massive SUV is safer for the driver than hitting something in a tiny VW Polo), and average road speeds decreasing due to increased traffic on the roads. Neither of which do much for the safety of the rest of us trying to get about (and in the former make things considerably worse).

    Conversely, getting hit by a massive SUV is much worse for a pedestrian or cyclist than a tiny VW Polo and all of that is in those numbers.

    Not really clear what you are in favour of. If it's safer roads, then you have to acknowledge the fact they have got miuch safer over the last few decades and give some credit to car manufacturers, drivers and road designers. If you want that to continue, then I don't think anyone is against that depending on what measures you are proposing. If you want to ban cars, then good luck but it's not going to happen.

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