• 8 Jan 2024, 4:37 p.m.

    He deeply supports a probe into the matter. (my radiogram has just said)

    I'm hardly surprised. He looks the sort. He's a tory. I dare say a substantial amount of the cash that he's extorted from we the people, goes into paying for various types of probes.

  • 8 Jan 2024, 8:01 p.m.

    Harry Cole on X:

    So on inane 'why didn't the papers cover the Horizon scandal before the telly drama' chat

    Here's how many stories in UK national titles that mentioned it in last 15 years - pre-Mr Bates:

    Times 383
    Telegraph 234
    Sun Times 152
    Express 127
    Sun 101
    Guardian 91
    Mirror 83

    Plus Mail 343

  • 8 Jan 2024, 8:32 p.m.

    The media have been banging on about it for years, including such unlikely characters as the Mail, but it's only caught fire since the ITV drama.

    Like Charlie, I've done comms work for PO over the years, including for Vennels and Angela Van Der Bogart, the chief baddies in the TV show. We got involved because there were a couple of TV programmes about it re: potential miscarriage of justice. The PO line then (6/7 years ago) was that the Horizon system wasn't faulty, at all, and even if it was, which it wasn't, then it could only have affected a handful of cases, which it hadn't.

    Vennels always struck me as a Theresa May type. Serious. Sensible. Proper. Cautious. Not presumably that cautious, or she wouldn't have got where she had got to. And like May, I suppose, with a nasty fucking streak at the heart of her.

  • 8 Jan 2024, 8:58 p.m.

    When you say 'at the heart', I presume you mean 'in the middle where a heart should be'?

  • Squad
    8 Jan 2024, 9:02 p.m.

    Or looking at her, where a stake should be…

  • 8 Jan 2024, 9:09 p.m.

    Would explain why she's always banging on about God.

  • 8 Jan 2024, 9:41 p.m.

    Blimey. Happy to be corrected.

  • 8 Jan 2024, 9:41 p.m.

    Although I'm sure the express blamed it on small boats

  • 8 Jan 2024, 10:34 p.m.

    I keep trying to watch the ITV drama, but can't get past the first 10 minutes. Like JR's-Cigarette it just makes me too angry. I've been following it for years, perplexed that it wasn't headline news every day. 500 people found guilty of crimes they didn't commit. Not geezers on the edge of gangland, or hedge funders disputing the legality of dodgy trades, but decent, ordinary people, serving the public for a modest reward. Some have killed themselves, many have died with guilty verdicts unchallenged, others have just lost their careers and life savings. And 20 years after the whole nightmare began, only a TV drama, only a fucking TV drama, finally gets the politicians to start making noises about actually doing something. Contemptuous, cynical bastards.

  • 10 Jan 2024, 4:08 p.m.

    This (and the Ed Davey nonsense*) feels like a classic misdirect by the British press.

    My guess is that CBE is more or less automatic for someone in that position but stripping her of it now gives everyone a nice feeling that they've done something, solved the problem and can now move on and forget about the whole unpleasant business.

    • Ed Davey "refused" to speak to Alan Bates in May 2010, when he was new to the job and was, presumably, listening to civil servants' advice. He did speak to him in October of the same year (possibly the Tories are confused by the prospect of some staying in a minsterial office for more than 6 weeks) and Bates has said he doesn't blame for what happened.
  • 10 Jan 2024, 4:56 p.m.

    Possibly, but it's a neat demonstration as to how any automatic process should have a few checks when there are outstanding controversies.

  • 10 Jan 2024, 5:36 p.m.

    You do all realise that the whole point of the Tory/business partnership is to deregulate, remove rights, access to the law, and make everything a paid extra tier, precisely to do this sort of thing to ordinary people? Without accountability or redress?

    Only some of you act like you think this is all a terrible mistake, and an outlier.

    My advice would be to get used to it, and much worse, while you are being proud of your country by electing people who do not have it's best interests at heart. They are the party of business. You knew what you were voting for.

  • Squad
    10 Jan 2024, 10:15 p.m.

    Yeah, you stupid pricks!

  • 11 Jan 2024, 2:08 p.m.
  • 12 Jan 2024, 11:53 a.m.

    So Sunak has decided he needs some photo opps with blokes in camouflage gear, to distract us all.