I started to, honestly, got maybe 7 paragraphs in then had to go make dinner. His analysis seems sensible and suggestions too.
I started to, honestly, got maybe 7 paragraphs in then had to go make dinner. His analysis seems sensible and suggestions too.
Also, the quaint idea of all the food coming from indie farms instead of industrialised food production is nice n’all.. but I’d like to know how we decide which few billion people starve to death to make it happen.
In case you hadn't noticed the way we have fucked the planet is starting to deal with that.
This is why I think Dan niedle's solution seems sensible, have a run off period (of many years - maybe 10) where if inheritors sell it they pay iht on it, whatever the size of the holding. That way the people who buy land to hold for IHT reliefs get caught when the kids sell to get their hands on the money.
Will the kids of the super wealthy sell, though? Or will they hold the asset and just take the income from renting it out? They’re the kids of the super wealthy, after all. Maybe the cash out if the land gets zoned for development… by which time the IHT is a rounding error anyway. Otherwise why not just wait the ten years?
Generally I am all for people being able to defer things like IHT (or land tax, my fave bane of the ‘cash poor’ millionaires) but not if it’s on the never-never or it times-out. That’s just another loophole waiting to be exploited. ‘Oh ok, here’s £20m for a ten year rental of your farm plus an option to buy for 50p at the end’.
Well, to be honest the current way doesn't stop that anyway. A 1,000 year lease on a peppercorn rent, then the land is worthless anyway for IHT.
But it may well stop the people who buy 50 to 100 acres.
1 is about 150 acres, dairy, they get a fair living as they supply the Stilton dairies as a collective so get about double the going rate per litre. The senior is pretty old now, the son runs it. Got a big farm house and several farm buildings so there's a lot of value in that before you get into the land and plant.
Another is arable, similar father son arrangement although not quite as old so I assume scope to move to a trust, rent about 200, own about 100, farmhouse is near a village so farm has distorted value. No issue about taxing the fuck out of it if they were to sell but as farm I don't see how the lad would pay the IH if his dad died.
Is the answer to this not something to do with price of their food, spending more collectively on our food, and buying more locally, moving away from supermarkets towards localised production and sales? The first line above suggests so.
Where do the 12m or so that live in London get their local food from in this model?
Actually I've missed the point haven't I, thats how the population gets back to levels that the local model can cope with.
Where do the 12m or so that live in London get their local food from in this model?
Actually I've missed the point haven't I, thats how the population gets back to levels that the local model can cope with.
The rest of the UK? I mean, for me, you cockney bastards can grow your own food, but anything has to be better than flying it halfway round the world.
Is the answer to this not something to do with price of their food, spending more collectively on our food, and buying more locally, moving away from supermarkets towards localised production and sales? The first line above suggests so.
I thought so but I think the consensus is "naaar, fuck um."
The rest of the UK? I mean, for me, you cockney bastards can grow your own food, but anything has to be better than flying it halfway round the world.
Having a trade deal with your nearest neighbours makes more sense than one with Aussie and NZ, you'd think.
The doing away with supermarkets suggested everyone was popping to good old Farmer Giles down the road to get half a dozen eggs and a pint of milk.
I agree flying stuff around isn't great. Can the collective Farmer Giles's actually produce enough food to feed our population? I've no idea if it's feasible.
@steve has written:Is the answer to this not something to do with price of their food, spending more collectively on our food, and buying more locally, moving away from supermarkets towards localised production and sales? The first line above suggests so.
I thought so but I think the consensus is "naaar, fuck um."
So your point is that farmers are earning barely enough to get by, so they should be exempt from inheritance tax?
Well, to be honest the current way doesn't stop that anyway. A 1,000 year lease on a peppercorn rent, then the land is worthless anyway for IHT.
Yeah, but if you do it before death then the proceeds are subject to IHT, right?
What proceeds? And you could do it into trust
What proceeds? And you could do it into trust
Isn’t the point of making it worthless for IHT to actually extract the value by some other means? Not just simply to make it worthless.
And don’t get me started on Trusts… because I don’t know what I’m talking about At All. Pretty sure they’re bad though.
You want it to be worthless so there is no IHT, but you can continue to farm it.
If you are super rich then 20% is probably fine, cheaper than most other assets
But you are right, it would probably make selling it harder.
Oh ok, here’s £20m for a ten year rental of your farm plus an option to buy for 50p at the end’.
Actually thinking about this wouldn't you just be swapping inheritance tax for income tax?