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tricky
25 Apr 2023
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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    16 Nov 2024, 9:16 a.m. 16 Nov 2024, 9:16 a.m.
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    I hear that John Noakes* took on a world heavyweight champion from thirty five years ago, and it was a bit shit.

    Who could have guessed?

    * I always think that you-tubers are the modern equivalent of a 'blue peter', or 'that's life', presenter

    JRs_Cigarette likes this.

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    21 Nov 2024, 3:13 p.m. 21 Nov 2024, 3:13 p.m.
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    Stake and killed he.

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    Charlie
    Squad 1832 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 10:41 a.m. 22 Nov 2024, 10:41 a.m.
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    This is a decent account of our ridiculously unfair and random tax system, including some pertinent quotes from the IFS on the farm IHT changes.

    www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/22/farmers-protest-tax-labour-reform

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    Ingo
    Squad 2647 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 5:33 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 5:33 p.m.
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    2nd sentence before the stereotype smartarsing starts, standards are slipping!

    I know 3 families, not educated at Eton, don't get first class trains, who's succession will be clobbered by this. If we're that insistent on taxing every asset rich but piss poor paid farmer like the they are a Duke then why not just tax the fuck out of them if they chose to sell up?

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    Guru
    Squad 1369 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 6:11 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 6:11 p.m.
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    The concept of asset rich, cash poor is still better than asset poor and cash poor.

    As someone recently said, there are several ways to eliminate paying IHT IF it’s based on assets (property). You only end up paying it if you don’t trust your kids. If that’s the case, why do you want your kids to take over the farm?

    I also know several farmers (who traditionally are never happy with anything) who have been busy selling off land for housing over the last ten years. So my heart is not bleeding.

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    Lessred
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    22 Nov 2024, 6:38 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 6:38 p.m.
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    That might be an argument in 7 years time, but as we stand if they gift now they may well be caught.

    Also many parents (not just farmers) worry about divorce of their children, or what happens if they gift it and then one of the next generation dies unexpectedly, without gifting.

    That leaves trust which are expensive and not tax free.

    Personally I would reverse one of the Tories ridiculous 2p cuts in NI (which was a trap anyway) and set the rate at £2m each and raise a shit ton more money without risking the corporatization of farming.

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    Ingo
    Squad 2647 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 7 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 7 p.m.
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    @Guru has written:

    The concept of asset rich, cash poor is still better than asset poor and cash poor.

    Not everything has be a race to the bottom.

    Don't farmers still top the suicide and accident charts? It can't be that brilliant. I genuinely find the middle class angst here mystifying, it's like a lightning rod for misplaced anti-Tory sentiment.

    I'm reluctant to bang on about food security but you wait until Tricky starts farming, I've seen his garden, we'll all fucking starve.

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 7:09 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 7:09 p.m.
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    @Ingo has written:

    I'm reluctant to bang on about food security but you wait until Tricky starts farming, I've seen his garden, we'll all fucking starve.

    How hard can it be? After all, you've done it....

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    Simon
    Squad 6608 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 7:59 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 7:59 p.m.
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    @Lessred has written:

    Personally I would reverse one of the Tories ridiculous 2p cuts in NI (which was a trap anyway) and set the rate at £2m each and raise a shit ton more money without risking the corporatization of farming.

    Brilliant trap, if you don't give a fuck about the country though.

    Force labour to commit to not increasing taxes after you've cut them unsustainably.

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 8:13 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 8:13 p.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    Brilliant trap, if you don't give a fuck about the country though.

    Standard tory innit? Underfund things so that they fail, persuade people it's because public control is useless, then hand them over to their mates so they can rent them back to you at ever higher prices without regulation.

    Services. Immigration Systems. Schools. Health service. Government. They're all the same to them.

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 8:17 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 8:17 p.m.
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    Couple who were detained at Gatwick, while the bomb squad blew up their packed lunch, have been released.

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    Ingo
    Squad 2647 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 8:59 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 8:59 p.m.
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    I

    Have

    Seen

    You

    Grow

    Things.

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    Simon
    Squad 6608 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 9 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 9 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:
    @Simon has written:

    Brilliant trap, if you don't give a fuck about the country though.

    Standard tory innit? Underfund things so that they fail, persuade people it's because public control is useless, then hand them over to their mates so they can rent them back to you at ever higher prices without regulation.

    Services. Immigration Systems. Schools. Health service. Government. They're all the same to them.

    Gamification of politics. I'm sure Labour will set some traps before the next election as well.

    Country is fucked, mate.

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    tricky
    Board 7350 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 9:45 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 9:45 p.m.
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    @Simon has written:

    Gamification of politics. I'm sure Labour will set some traps before the next election as well. People keep swallowing the propaganda, and voting fascist.

    Country is fucked, mate.

    FTFY

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    Simon
    Squad 6608 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 11:08 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 11:08 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:
    @Simon has written:

    Gamification of politics. I'm sure Labour will set some traps before the next election as well. People keep swallowing the propaganda, and voting fascist.

    Country is fucked, mate.

    FTFY

    So, Starmer’s Labour are fascists? Err, Ok.

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    JimShady
    Squad 3852 posts
    22 Nov 2024, 11:54 p.m. 22 Nov 2024, 11:54 p.m.
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    @Ingo has written:

    I know 3 families, not educated at Eton, don't get first class trains, who's succession will be clobbered by this.

    Can you explain this a bit? What's their situation?

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