GE 2024

This isn't true.

Oh. Which ones said Sunak won?

But that’s been done now. It’s not likely to land like that did as they have all the lies and mistrust behind them. As ever, time will tell.

There was a yougov poll right afterwards that had desperate little Rishi at 51% and Starmer at 49%.
All the other polls had Starmer ahead as far as I know.
Not that it means anything at this stage.

What Jim7 said.

I don't think it matters because no-one's listening to the Tories anyway. But if you can debunk at the time, you do. Starmer either wasn't briefed well enough or didn't think fast enough.

My presumption was he decided by engaging with the made-up number he would give it more credence than it otherwise was going to get. But he should have drawn his line a little lower. Just said "I've no idea where Rishi is coming up with that number from. It's not true. But a number we can have total certainty on is that the NHS waiting lists are up 50% and inflation is up to 6% and X and Y etc".

Shady for PM

What he should do now the liar thing is in the air is double down on it and constantly say you can't trust fishy rishi with the facts, like trump would.

Or be a grown up and just get on with telling the country what he'd do to make it better.

Tories tax nonsense for today is that they won't reform council tax and calling on Labour to agree with them. Because a system of taxation based on the price of your house 35 years ago, brought in at a rush after the poll tax failed, is clearly the best approach to raising local government finance.

The strategy seems clever. Every day announce another tax you won't change, knowing that you aren't going to win the election whatever.

Then in theory makes Labour have to say what they would do with that tax. And they do have to worry about actually living with what they say.

Agreed.

The Tories actually seem to be quite good at campaigning. Providing they are allowed to lie. Just shit at actually running the country once in.

If you are confident you aren't going to get held to your ludicrous "pledges" you can promise the earth. Worked wonders for the Lib Dems for years until they actually got into government then it wiped them out.

I don’t think that’s at all fair on the Lib Dems. After all they did get the 5p tax on plastic bags sorted.

Their only positive legacy is free school meals for KS1 children - which the Tories have already proposed abolishing.
Sadly, Cleggy got carried away by his position (and what he thought was power) and abandoned his principles, policies and party.