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    BrettWilliams
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:40 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:40 p.m.
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    @Psychobel has written:

    Cunha looked solid...

    I like the look of him. Seems, for once, like solid succession planning for Murillo's departure.

    Cunha for Championship Team of the Year. You heard it here first.

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    BrettWilliams
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:42 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:42 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:
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    @Charlie has written:

    For the first time, I think we're favourites for the drop. We look knackered and clueless. And there's nothing on the bench to change things up front. Recruitment and Europe will be the end of us.

    I think if you are looking objectively, two points at this stage is nothing, even with a GD advantage of five, they’ve got the better ,manager, aren’t as riddled with chaos and don’t have Europe. You’d have to say we’re favourites to go down.

    Bookies still don't agree FWIW.

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    What the fook is all that about? Sunderland longer odds than Manchester City?

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    JimShady
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:43 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:43 p.m.
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    There's obviously some people thinking they will get a large points deduction at some point.

    I doubt it.

    But I would fucking love it if we stayed up because of that.

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    tricky
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:44 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:44 p.m.
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    @BrettWilliams has written:

    What the fook is all that about? Sunderland longer odds than Manchester City?

    There are some idiots betting that football governance is a thing.

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    BrettWilliams
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:44 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:44 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    There's obviously some money on people thinking they will get a large points deduction at some point.

    Ah, fair enough. Although, as if that's happening...

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    Simon
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:48 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:48 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:
    @Simon has written:
    @Charlie has written:

    For the first time, I think we're favourites for the drop. We look knackered and clueless. And there's nothing on the bench to change things up front. Recruitment and Europe will be the end of us.

    I think if you are looking objectively, two points at this stage is nothing, even with a GD advantage of five, they’ve got the better ,manager, aren’t as riddled with chaos and don’t have Europe. You’d have to say we’re favourites to go down.

    Bookies still don't agree FWIW.

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    Think they are (partly) using similar models to opta which don’t take account of factors like the ones I mentioned.

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    JimShady
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:53 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:53 p.m.
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    If you think your "model" is regularly better than the bookies you'll be a rich man very soon.

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    tricky
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    1 Mar 2026, 6:53 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 6:53 p.m.
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    They're just balancing their books, based on bets taken. As bookies do. When England are the bookies favourites to win the world cup, it doesn't mean that they are the best team, and most likely to win it. It means that England fans who bet are the most deranged financially imprudent idiots.

    @JimShady has written:

    If you think your "model" is regularly better than the bookies you'll be a rich man very soon.

    You won't. I know this because I've worked with people for who this was true of.

    What happens is that the bookies track your betting patterns and stop you getting sufficient money on to make a dent in them. You can make a small living on the spread of betting against the wider constituency of mug punters, but once you start making serious inroads, they'll shut you down.

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    JRs_Cigarette
    Squad 2506 posts
    1 Mar 2026, 7:05 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 7:05 p.m.
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    @BrettWilliams has written:

    Cunha for Championship Team of the Year. You heard it here first.

    Won't he be sold if we go down? He's Murillo replacement if we stay up.

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    JimShady
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    1 Mar 2026, 7:06 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 7:06 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:

    but once you start making serious inroads, they'll shut you dow

    Well yes. You have to be clever about it. I got my account closed by Bet365 about 10 years ago as I' was exploiting a minor loophole and making £50 most weeks. Did it for a few months then they shut my account.

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    tricky
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    1 Mar 2026, 7:10 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 7:10 p.m.
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    So what's 'rich' in this context? £25 a month?

    What sort of clever did you have in mind? (The professional gambler I worked with was very clever. He got shut down.)

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    JimShady
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    1 Mar 2026, 7:29 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 7:29 p.m.
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    I've no idea what you're blathering on about now. The point I was making is that bookies will have factored into their odds that we are in Europe. They're not stupid.

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    tricky
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    1 Mar 2026, 7:35 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 7:35 p.m.
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    Sorry, thought you had some insight to offer.

    Yes, the bookies will have noticed some of the obvious factors that the average forest fan appears not to have. Their model doesn't have to be brilliant to make money. People just have to keep being thick.

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    JimShady
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    1 Mar 2026, 7:39 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 7:39 p.m.
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    @tricky has written:

    Sorry, thought you had some insight to offer

    About bookies? No, that's not a subject I am an expert in. Find someone else to have an argument with tonight, I'm not biting.

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    Simon
    Squad 7428 posts
    1 Mar 2026, 7:41 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 7:41 p.m.
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    @JimShady has written:

    I've no idea what you're blathering on about now. The point I was making is that bookies will have factored into their odds that we are in Europe. They're not stupid.

    Are you sure? 3.75 in decimal odds is 26.67% opta (who don't allow for fixture congestion) have us at 24.02% Allowing for an over round, that seems remarkably similar.

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    Lessred
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    1 Mar 2026, 10:56 p.m. 1 Mar 2026, 10:56 p.m.
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    @JRs_Cigarette has written:
    @BrettWilliams has written:

    Cunha for Championship Team of the Year. You heard it here first.

    Won't he be sold if we go down? He's Murillo replacement if we stay up.

    I would have thought we'd keep him. I'd be surprised if we got a silly offer for him, hasn't he only played a few first team games (here and in Brazil). A CB of him and Bindon (with Abbott as back up) may be fine at Championship level.

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