You mean like the manager?
3 Dec 2023
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Having been a goalkeeper himself doesn't necessarily make him able to spot one. Clough, notoriously, signed loads of piss poor strikers.
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Wayne Rooney couldn't get one of his teams to fuck a granny?
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The whole team? I’m not surprised. Running a train on a granny might see the subs on a granslaughter charge.
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He also found some pretty good ones. And I'd venture to suggest that keeper is a more structured and coachable position than pretty much any other position, so you would expect a former keeper of a decent standard to be able to see the flaws and failings in another. Nuno's managerial record with keepers is pretty decent, I think.
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I'd argue the opposite. You need to find someone tapped in the heed first, and a footballer who wants to stop football happening......then the decision making around goalkeeping are the most difficult and marginal, with the highest level of consequences (in terms of football and personal physical). You need to have outstanding physical attributes (size, spring) and an almost gymnastic like ability coupled to the absolute best spatial awareness and judgement, and lightning fast instinctive reflexes.
I've stood in nets for full size games numerous times....it's much more difficult to get away with it (or get your team mates to help you out with your running and the suchlike), and the results are almost always shockingly bad.
It's no surprise that keepers tend to mature later, because there's a lot of moving parts to getting it right. It's a difficult, highly skilled position. It's just not pretty, and they're not footballers.
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You don't need to be a fucking goalkeeping expert to see what's wrong with our fucking goalkeepers.
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It will be really intero what he does against Brentford.
If Vlach's issues are psychological rather than to do with ability he may decide to stick with him. I'm sympathetic to the view that switching the two of them around every few games on the back of mistakes probably isn't helping. I think he needs to pick and stick with one of them, unless and until we get a new keeper in.
I am not too worried about Toney. He's a good example of a player who seems to have improved while he hasn't been playing football for 7 months, mainly because Brentford have been talking him up. Why have they been talking him up? Because they want to flog him. £100m is ridiculous. Hopefully we spoil his welcome back party.
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Toney always scores against us. I would be worried about him as he is their main threat by a mile. He is a hell of a lot better than you give him credit for that’s for certain.
I would kill to have an Ivan Toney in the Forest side (albeit without the betting habit.. (see Harry Toffolo)…
Chicago: Striking out.
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Some great analysis there Chicago.
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Don't diss him mince. I think he's on to something.
Who can we kill?
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Yes, of course specific physical and mental attributes are required to be an elite goalie, just as they are most other positions. But the actual play is very structured, because the majority of it happens in a much smaller and more defined part of the pitch than any other position and because so much more of a keeper's play is built around set pieces than any other player's is. Positioning, decision trees, and management of other players are essential and largely unchanging parts of a keeper's game, and that holds true across pretty much all teams, managers and styles of play, which is why a top keeper can immediately slot into a new team regardless of their established outfield style q.v. Keylor Navas going from PSG to Forest.
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I just don't agree. How can the ball, or a man, come to a goalkeeper to intervene? What are his options of what to do? Now compare that an outfield player. You run to track, or make a challenge, pass it to someone, or head it. That's it.
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Thought goalies ended up there because noone else wanted to and then it just sticks.
Toney's last goal was against us I was told. Can't be arsed to check that of course.
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That is correct. Chicago is also correct in saying that he always scores against us - he has only played against us three times, but he's scored in each one. I doubt we're the only team he has that sort of record against though.
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Records are there to be broken.
