• 18 Oct 2023, 8:47 a.m.

    He picked the ball up off the centre halves at one point and pinged a Gerrard-style diagonal which Foden(?) reached - Dion then raved about what a great example of a centre forward he was to all young kids. Playing Hollywood balls from your own half is not being a centre forward.
    England's problem is Gareth has built the team around Maguire, Kane and winning corners/penalties. Pick Maguire, you need Walker and two CDMs to cover his lack of pace and ability. Which reduces the midfield strength, so Kane drops deeper and deeper into midfield to compensate/get involved. Presumably that's what Gareth wants him to do, (or it's a Stevie G-style lack of positional discipline), but leaves us short up front when we do break at pace
    There was a time Rashford broke down the wing - but we had to turn back, as there was no-one near him - Kane was still in the centre circle and ended up getting the ball and passing back to the centre backs.
    With the abundance of pace and skill Southgate has at his disposal (Jude, Foden, Saka, Rashford, Sterling, plus if they get back to top form Sancho, CHO), we should be building a team to utilise that. The modern game is about speed - of movement and thought - it's where England's first two goals came from. The third was just poor defending - even Kane joked about his lack of pace post-match. Great finish though (not denying Kane is a superb finisher).

  • 18 Oct 2023, 9:18 a.m.

    [Attenborough] Listen very carefully and you can just faintly hear the sound of the lesser spotted pub bore just beginning to reverse his hobby horse, inch by inch [/Attenborough].

    You're right it's not that complicated: he's England's greatest ever goal scorer, he's currently one of the planet's greatest goalscorers, and football matches are won by scoring goals not by cultivating a swarm of bees (ask beekeeper extraordinaire Mark Warburton).

  • 18 Oct 2023, 10:04 a.m.

    In my experience this is the sort of thing that superficial clueless idiots say. It's a talksport staple.

  • 18 Oct 2023, 11:28 a.m.

    If you look at the Italy goal, as well as the chances that fell to Udogie (first half) and Kean (second half), it was classic Spaletti. Free flowing, 1-2 touch, moving the call from side to side, pulling defensive players out of position and creating really good chances. We could easily play like that, we have the talent, technique and pace. The second goal showed some of that and, whilst Bellingham was central to it, it also relied on a well timed tackle from Rice, a lovely bit of control and pass from Foden and an excellent finish from Rashford.

    Instead, I can see we will become more reliant on/addicted to Bellingham’s brilliance in the same way we developed an unhealthy reliance on Robson, Gascoigne, Rooney, Beckham. I can see metatarsal-gate just prior to the Euros. Don’t get me wrong. Bellingham is a real talent and it is great to watch him play. But so are Foden, Saka, Maddison, Rashford etc and we have decent midfielders and defenders to back that up.

    But, it’s the English way: make it all about one player as opposed to making the team better than the sum of its (very talented) parts.

  • 18 Oct 2023, 1 p.m.

    By which I meant he's scored more goals than anybody else ever has for England, which is just maths.

    (Anyway Chief I'm LOLing not trolling, for the avoidance of doubt.)

  • 18 Oct 2023, 1:02 p.m.

    You may be correct about much of that. I think this group of players are technicallt better than any of the golden generations of the past recent history though. Certainly they piss on the Lampard/Gerrard/Terry lot.

  • 18 Oct 2023, 2:44 p.m.

    www.bbc.com/sport/football/67142612

    With all due respect Harry, by which I mean absolutely none, you can fuck all the way off and when you get there, fuck off some more. How incredibly out of touch do you have to be to think that this is an appropriate or reasonable view? Does he really believe that he and his friends being paid unimaginable amounts of money to play a game and live out the dream of 99.9999% of fans is some kind of selfless act of service for which we should all be incredibly grateful?

  • 18 Oct 2023, 4:32 p.m.

    Generally I would never boo a footballer but Jordan Henderson is a case where I might do so as he took the money, went against his morals and then played the victim. So fuck the fuck off you hypocritical twat.

    Harry McGuire is just thick so I will probably not boo him. He has enough problems as it is.

    Chicago: With the kids.

  • 18 Oct 2023, 7 p.m.

    5 live were saying they booed Henderson because of his hypocritical stance on gay rights. Having been amongst your average footie fans, this seems unlikely?

  • 18 Oct 2023, 7:10 p.m.

    That's evidently arguable. Occam's Razor suggests he is now going with his morals - i.e. $.

  • 18 Oct 2023, 7:39 p.m.

    Marcus Rashford took a moral position against the government refusing to feed hungry children.

    Should he leave the UK, given that the government is still against feeding hungry children?

  • Squad
    18 Oct 2023, 7:46 p.m.

    Equivalent would be if Rashford was now getting paid by the UK government and keeping his mouth shit. Like wot Henderson is in Saudi.

  • 18 Oct 2023, 7:55 p.m.

    Firstly, he hasn't kept his mouth shut. He, for example, spoke in the last few days about it. Secondly, he's not at one of the State (PIF) funded clubs.

    So apart from the things that you are wrong about, it's equivalent?

  • Squad
    18 Oct 2023, 7:57 p.m.

    And if you believe that, I have a camel to sell you. (Not a real camel)

  • 18 Oct 2023, 7:59 p.m.

    If you believe living in this country isn't making hypocrites of us all, then you'll probably believe it is a camel.

  • 18 Oct 2023, 8 p.m.

    Minus 1 for the apostrophe abuse. - 10 for 'footie'. Textbook Hunsbook tickertape its-a-fairytale-esque post.