• 15 Jun 2023, 1:46 p.m.

    Well it is always the case that if a club loses money, the owner likely needs a plan to cover it (not that they always have one). Of course, asking for that plan after three years of spending is a little late because the money is gone and, quite likely, there are contractual commitments that will keep the losses going. If FFP was even useful by it’s own corrupt terms, it would be fundamentally forward-looking and you would try to prevent clubs from buying the horse, not asking how they plan on meeting the loan payments after it’s bolted.

    One assume the NFFC ownership is aware of all the rules and if the losses fall into that region, the assurances will be forthcoming and compliant. But yes, the allowance only exists to the extent that Marinakis is able to cover it.

    We don’t know what his plan is for the club. He has spent a lot already. He could probably, now, sell the club and get it all back. The price of pushing on is high, and significant even by Marinakis standards. He’s a shipping magnate, not a petro-state. Does he want to spend aggressively to try and increase his exit value? Does he want to own a sustainable PL club? Is he willing to risk a material portion of his net worth to chase dreams?

  • 15 Jun 2023, 1:54 p.m.

    When it comes to a portfolio of interests facilitating the global movement of legitimised cash, a modern EPL premier league outfit is excellent value.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 2:06 p.m.

    Indeed. It’s really just working within a budget and every player takes up space that is simply their fee plus their wage. FFP puts a hard limit on that budget, as does (per the other posts) the owner’s willingness to put in money and, indeed, the ability to borrow to fund cashflow if outgoings come before income.

    Every signing swallows up budget space. Every disposal frees up space (both by reducing the wages cost, and potentially making a capital gain). Selling a player with no associated amortisation frees up more space than selling one who does have a fee to amortise.. but only where all else is equal. Getting rid of a high earner you got for free can be better than selling a low earner with an unamortised fee. Ideally you don’t put yourself in a position where FFP means you’d rather sell Brennan than Dennis.. but a few bad decisions can certainly get you there. However, whilst not without errors… our overall approach since getting promoted, despite the exceptional circumstances, has been fairly sensible and we have a fairly good value squad. I don’t think we are in any danger, but if we go and commit £80m on signing Hendo on a five year deal (for example) that is 30% of your £265m swallowed up.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 2:14 p.m.

    I agree 100% with this. I think the only players we signed in the last season whose current market value is lower than what we paid are Biancone, Richards, Wood, Shelvey and Bowler, and a number of players would sell for considerably more than we paid. I think that in retrospect our acquisition spree was pretty effective, we've missed on a few smaller gambles but the majority of signings have all at the very least met their valuations and in some cases significantly exceeded them.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 2:21 p.m.

    Add O'Brien and Dennis to that list as well. And we're not getting our money back for Freuler, if he leaves.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 2:27 p.m.

    I think all three of them are worth about what we paid for them. For one reason or another they just haven't been a fit at Forest, but at circa 10M each I think we'll probably recoup most of that. They've each got a track record that will make clubs think that a different environment will get the best from them, and they're priced well within "reasonable punt" territory. My guess would be O'Brien to SUFC, Freuler back to Italy, Dennis somewhere in Europe.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 2:41 p.m.

    Lestoh fans believe that Maddison is a 70M player and Barnes 50M. The Mail reports that Spurs have offered 50M for the pair.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 2:48 p.m.

    As I previously noted, personally I would touch any of their players with a barge poll. That they are a bunch of bottle jobs, and part of an ignominiously relegated squad, against all of the odds.....and that liecester are well known to need to sell.....then it has the potential for getting really very funny indeed.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 2:52 p.m.

    Spurs wanting Maddison sounds to me like they've decided to cash in on Kane. Kane routinely drops deep into the areas where Maddison plays, so having both doesn't work, unless Postecoglou can convince Kane to go back to playing as a proper striker.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 6:06 p.m.

    Shelvey was a free. Pretty sure his market value couldn’t get any lower.

    Other than that..

    Chicago: Money manager

  • 15 Jun 2023, 6:10 p.m.

    Google provides various sources saying that there was a "small" fee, no one seems to provide a concrete number but Transfermarkt has it at 6.5M euros.

  • 15 Jun 2023, 7:17 p.m.

    Can't we sell Shelvey to Olympiakos for £20million?

  • 16 Jun 2023, 9:07 a.m.

    And the first two of those have had season-long injuries so could still prove at least equal to their fee. Theoretically Bowler, too, though he always looked like an “in case we go straight back down…’ signing to me.

  • 16 Jun 2023, 9:25 a.m.

    A year ago, O'Brien was about the best young midfielder in the championship and Dennis had scored double figures in a relegated premier league team. Now, O'Brien can't get even get into the 25 man squad of the 17th best team in the premier league and Dennis's good season looks like a flash in the pan. Their values must have reduced as a result.

    Freuler's won't have (international, longer career) but no other league can match premier league transfer fees or wages and no premier league club is taking him.

  • 16 Jun 2023, 10:02 a.m.

    I wouldn’t be astonished to see Dennis stay, for that reason. LOB has Leeds or Blunts written all over him