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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: The summer 2022 PREMIER LEAGUE transfer thread
Last post by tricky -
Of course it's guesswork what we will have around him, how we will play, and how he will take to the premier ship league. But he's a signing I'm very happy with and is both adventurous, and a level of sensible, at the same time. He's a good profile for us, and could improve both as a player and as an asset.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: The summer 2022 PREMIER LEAGUE transfer thread
Last post by Jamso -
I wouldn't include those in the 6 or 7 who are good enough to make a regular impact in the Premier league, although there might be a role for Cafu, and I think Mighten will play a part. Taylor is certainly gone. Lolley I suspect too. McKenna, Worrall, Johnson,  Yates, Surridge however are a good nucleus. I would have included Samba in that but looks like he's been upgraded already (not exactly cost neutrally but we should get a few bob for him which can be netted off from the Henderson costs). Then let's say Colback and Cook count as half each! They're likely to play at least a squad role.

It's not as bad a starting point as you think. A bit like the squad at the start of last season, if you season the stew with some rapid, quality, modern wingbacks a couple of quality midfielders,  add in an Awoniyi, and leverage the extraordinary psychological momentum from last season (we weren't your average playoff winners, given the appaling start under Hughton) it starts to look not so impossible. But we'll see.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: The summer 2022 PREMIER LEAGUE transfer thread
Last post by tricky -
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They had got rid of a lot of them by this point because other than Grealish and McGinn they were definitely worse than what we have now. I believe that is when we got Albert Adomah who was one of their main players in their playoff season, and I think says a lot. They literally had a couple good enough for the Premier league on their books. We (hopefully) have 6 or 7. So, it really could be worse. After today, only another 7 to 9 for us to start looking functional.
 
 

I'm not imagining Cafu, Lolley, Mighten, or Taylor will play much of a part for us next season. Maybe some sub appearances for Mighten if he doesn't go out on loan.

It's hard to draw direct comparisons...you can evaluate Villa's contract players from that period with the benefit of hindsight, and most of ours only based on the as yet unknown (apart from Cook and Colback, who it might be reasonable to assume are going to be diminished forces compared with their last premier league ship experience). It's also necessary to factor in the need for two extra match subs, and an increased subs bench.

Ten might well not be enough. It's a minimum. Looks like we will need to add two keepers as well.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: The summer 2022 PREMIER LEAGUE transfer thread
Last post by Jamso -
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At the end of their promotion season, for players that played a part in more than ten of their championship promotion winning games, they still had under contract ten of those players. We also have ten. It's certainly there or there abouts. They made 12 permanent signings. They finished one point above the relegation zone.

I don't agree with your methodology...but there is clearly an interesting parallel to be drawn with Villa.

They had got rid of a lot of them by this point because other than Grealish and McGinn they were definitely worse than what we have now. I believe that is when we got Albert Adomah who was one of their main players in their playoff season, and I think that says a lot because he would not get near our playoff side. They literally had a couple good enough for the Premier league on their books and they knew it. We (hopefully) have 6 or 7. So, it really could be worse. After today, only another 7 to 9 in for us to start looking functional.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: The summer 2022 PREMIER LEAGUE transfer thread
Last post by tricky -
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You're right, Villa's was thinner than us. They basically only had Hourihane, Grealish, and McGinn. So we're looking better than they were at this point.
 
At the end of their promotion season, for players that played a part in more than ten of their championship promotion winning games, they still had under contract ten of those players. We also have ten. It's certainly there or there abouts. They made 12 permanent signings. They finished one point above the relegation zone.

I don't agree with your methodology...but there is clearly an interesting parallel to be drawn with Villa.